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From: sed408@ihlpg.UUCP (s. dugan)
Newsgroups: net.kids,net.legal,net.politics
Subject: Re: corporal punishment in schools
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Date: Wed, 4-Sep-85 16:10:58 EDT
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Posted: Wed Sep  4 16:10:58 1985
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> > In article <1214@teddy.UUCP> lkk@teddy.UUCP (Larry K. Kolodney) writes:
> >	Discipline based on fear is worse than no discipline at all.
> > 
> I must pose to you a situation involving a parent child confrontation.
> Parent :    Time for bed.
> 4yr old:    Nope.
> 
> Parent :    Please, time for bed now.
> 4yr old:    Nope.
> 
> Parent :    You must go to bed now.
> 4yr old:    Nope. 
> 
> And so on, what would you do?  Remember, you said discipline based on fear is
> better than no disipline at all.  You're not allowed to threaten to take his
> teddy bear away.  You're not allowed to tell him he can't have ice cream if
> he doesn't listen.  Are not these tactics based on threatening the child with
> fear, i.e. no ice cream, take away your buddy the teddy bear.  I really want to
> know what you would do without some kind of threat.  By the way, you are not
> allowed to bodily carry him to bed, that would be physically taking matters in
> hand and over powering him with your size.  Besides, he would just climb out of
> bed and come downstairs.  What WOULD you do?

Why can't I bodily carry him to bed?  "Physically taking matters in hand and
over powering" is a much different situation than physical abuse which is what
this discussion is all about.  I don't think there's a parent around who would
balk at physically restraining an unruly child.  I make liberal use of "THE
TIMER".  This is a version of the old "sit in the corner" routine which
involves sitting (or in Anne's case standing) in the corner until the timer
rings.  The developmental psych people say that the optimal amount of time is
about equivalent to their age.  Therefore, 2-year olds get two minutes, 3-year
olds get 3 minutes, etc.  Misbehaviour while in the corner simply adds time to
the timer.  It seems pretty effective at home and Anne's Day Care uses it
there, too.  I've never seen a better behaved bunch of kids! 


-- 

Sarah E. Dugan
"You have to kiss a lot of frogs
before you find a prince."

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