Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version VT1.00C 11/1/84; site vortex.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!gamma!epsilon!zeta!sabre!petrus!bellcore!vortex!lauren From: lauren@vortex.UUCP (Lauren Weinstein) Newsgroups: net.dcom,net.mail Subject: Re: PC Pursuit (plus opinions) Message-ID: <761@vortex.UUCP> Date: Tue, 27-Aug-85 19:17:39 EDT Article-I.D.: vortex.761 Posted: Tue Aug 27 19:17:39 1985 Date-Received: Wed, 28-Aug-85 10:29:27 EDT References: <63@seismo.CSS.GOV> Organization: Vortex Technology, Los Angeles Lines: 77 Xref: watmath net.dcom:1209 net.mail:1089 Some tests someone ran locally with PC Pursuit failed dismally. Terrible throughput at anything faster than 300 bps. There still seems to be extreme variability from place to place. Also, I was told (off the record) that the implementation of non-local- calling blocking would take place "as soon as they could get accurate prefix info for their tables" to block out most prefixes. They also mentioned that they might be asking for certification that the service is not being used by commercial firms but only by individuals, since they don't want commercial traffic people tying things up. The thing they DON'T want is people tying up the dialers with call after call. Another possibility mentioned was a "cap" on the amount of time the service could be used in any one 24 hour period, so "everyone would be able to get some time." A one or two hour limit was mentioned. Anyway, all of this was off the record. Take with as many grains of salt as you wish. ---- Opinion section starts here: If you analyze this service, it's pretty clear what's going on. GTE is attempting to maximize use of facilities already in place that tend to sit idle outside the business day. Those facilities are not massive (24 dialers for all of Los Angeles, for example). It seems unclear how they can EXPAND beyond the current levels based on the $25 flat rate fee, since local telephone lines and dialers are going to be one of the most expensive recurring costs in the operation. It's also pretty obvious why they are concerned about making non-local calls. Take a call from L.A. Central (where TELENET has their node) to Santa Monica. This is a very modest ZUM call (there are MUCH more expensive calls possible within the tiny 213 area code). Even so, that call (evening rate, night is a little cheaper) is 10 cents for the first minute and $.05 for each additional. So a one hour call (either on the originating or terminating end of the call) is going to cost them something like $3.00/hour. Figure that (until blocking is in place) many calls are of this sort, and you might find that $6.00/hour (considering both ends) will be the minimum cost of such calls (ignoring equipment and other costs at this point). If you make FIVE one-hour calls of this sort during evening hours during the month, you've already cost them more than the price of the service! It takes a few more hours (or slightly more expensive non-local calls) to reach that level at late night-rate, but you can still reach the "no-profit" point for them damn fast. Hell, businesses in most areas pay about $.60/hour even for LOCAL calls--never mind the toll and ZUM charges! All of this cuts into GTE's profit margin on such a service. Even if GTE opens the service up to other metro areas, the fundamental economics don't change. So, what will occur? Let's ignore service quality issues (throughput, dialer congestion, insufficient ports, etc.) for the moment. The sheer economics of the phone charges will either force the blockage of many non-local calls (which will make the service much less generally usable) or force restructuring of the service. Either prices will change, or service limitations will be set in place, or... something else will have to give. A couple of hundred BBS fanatics in each of the 12 metro areas could totally tie up the service in nothing flat. Once again, I'm only considering port and dialer congestion, not the overall impact on TELENET throughput of all these people. One can't help but suspect that GTE is already very aware of the changes that will have to occur. One might suspect that what they're trying to do is get people signed up now--and then announce whatever changes (in pricing, type of service, etc.) that they want down the line. I guess there's nothing terribly wrong with doing that--but I think people are being a little naive is they think that such a service can continue in its currently announced form and at currently announced prices indefinitely! I fully expect to see changes--or else the congestion and other factors will simply make the service unusable except for BBS crazies who don't have to worry about having anything important going wrong if they can't get through much of the time... --Lauren--