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From: brad@gcc-bill.ARPA (Brad Parker)
Newsgroups: net.micro,net.arch,net.research
Subject: Re: Info wanted on In-circuit-emulators (ICE)
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Date: Sun, 8-Sep-85 12:06:04 EDT
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In article <3567@amdcad.UUCP> phil@amdcad.UUCP (Phil Ngai) writes:
>the last customer we'd ship one to. You compete with us."
>Nice way to do business.
I've heard at lot about Intel's "attitude problem" - even as far as
"having to interview" to buy parts from them. See what working with
IBM does to you ;-)

>hiding the information you need to make a good ICE for the 80286 
>except on special "bond out" versions which they don't sell except
>as part of their ICE. This "bond out" version of the 80286 has extra
>pads to bring out chip state information necessary to run an ICE.
This is true, but you must understand that it can also be looked at
as their privaledge to bring out more state for their ICE. It's a neat
trick - I've also heard it described as a hack that they had to do 
because they didn't think before they fab'd. (yuk yuk)

We have one of these. To my knowledge, everything Phil says is correct.
Besides, he has a great attitude.

>Just my opinion. I speak only for myself. I broke into this machine
>before AMD implemented their security system and they don't know I 
>wrote this. :-)
Good line! I about fell off my chair. Gosh, you must be one of
them there hackers I read about in Time magazine! ;-)

wow. I can't believe I did all that editing with a hangover.
-- 

J Bradford Parker
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