Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site petrus.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!gamma!epsilon!zeta!sabre!petrus!karn From: karn@petrus.UUCP (Phil R. Karn) Newsgroups: net.music.classical Subject: Re: Tone poems Message-ID: <483@petrus.UUCP> Date: Tue, 27-Aug-85 02:20:52 EDT Article-I.D.: petrus.483 Posted: Tue Aug 27 02:20:52 1985 Date-Received: Wed, 28-Aug-85 20:50:50 EDT References: <478@petrus.UUCP> <286@gymble.UUCP> Distribution: net Organization: Bell Communications Research, Inc Lines: 25 > One of the beauties of textless music is that it can inspire widely > differing associations in the minds of listeners. It doesn't seem too > likely, though, that Shostakovitch, writing during WWII, intended to > evoke images of nuclear war! You're right. I'm fast coming to the conclusion that TRULY "descriptive" music is actually quite rare. Virtually all of the visual images that come to mind when I hear a piece are the result of past associations, some quite conscious (e.g., from the title, or from having been used in a memorable movie) while other associations were probably formed in events I've long forgotten. The best example of "descriptive music" I could think of, the storm in Beethoven's Pastorale Symphony, is effective mostly because it imitates a natural sound (a thunderstorm) with an artificial one (tympani). Conjuring up a purely visual image with sound alone is probably much more difficult. I'm reminded of the Bloom Country strip a couple of years ago. Opus the Penguin is talking with Portnoy the Groundhog about his favorite song, the Beatles' "Yesterday". He says that this song has always been very sentimental to him, in that it evoked images of his youth with porpoises frolicking under antarctic rainbows. That was, until he saw the MTV version, complete with half-naked women and explosions; afterwards all he could think of were half-naked, exploding porpoises! Phil