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From: chuqui@nsc.UUCP (Chuq Von Rospach)
Newsgroups: net.news.group
Subject: Re: mailing lists vs. newsgroups: facts (was Vote Fraud and Newsgroups)
Message-ID: <3256@nsc.UUCP>
Date: Fri, 13-Sep-85 01:29:02 EDT
Article-I.D.: nsc.3256
Posted: Fri Sep 13 01:29:02 1985
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Reply-To: chuqui@nsc.UUCP (Chuq Von Rospach)
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In article <789@vortex.UUCP> lauren@vortex.UUCP (Lauren Weinstein) writes:
>I'm afraid that the number of bizarre suppositions in that article make
>the estimates practically worthless.  I won't even ATTEMPT to provide
>my own figures, because I think it would just be guessing

As a matter of fact, Lauren, I pulled as much real data as I could into
that article. Anything that was a supposition or a guess was labeled as
such. If you don't agree with my data, please help me build better data so
we can make it more accurate. Simply writing it off as useless is truly
useless.

>Without more accurate data, trying to draw conclusions like that is
>simply a waste of time.  Let's try again when we have REAL data to
>work with.

If you don't like my data, find better data to prove me wrong. Simply
saying I'm wrong without showing it is a pure value judgement. I happen to
think that reality IS somewhere between my best and worst cases. As I can
get better data, I'll be able to build a better model.

Your article is, to me, a perfect example of what is wrong with this
network. There is a LOT of opinion on the network, and very little fact,
logic, or reason. Most people seem to believe that disagreeing with
something makes it untrue. If I have a choice between an opinion with facts,
such as what I attempted to put together, and an opinion, which is what you
tossed out, I'll take the facts any day. They may not be completely
accurate, but at least I have a chance to figure out what the inaccuracies
are. Simply saying "I don't like it, so it isn't so" doesn't give me any
basis for understanding WHY you say it and why I should believe it. If you
don't like my facts, come up with a few of your own. 

chuq
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Chuq Von Rospach nsc!chuqui@decwrl.ARPA {decwrl,hplabs,ihnp4}!nsc!chuqui

An uninformed opinion is no opinion at all. If you dont know what you're
talking about, please try to do it quietly.