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From: chuqui@nsc.UUCP (Chuq Von Rospach)
Newsgroups: net.news.group
Subject: Re: Causes on the net...
Message-ID: <3257@nsc.UUCP>
Date: Fri, 13-Sep-85 01:42:57 EDT
Article-I.D.: nsc.3257
Posted: Fri Sep 13 01:42:57 1985
Date-Received: Sat, 14-Sep-85 04:06:21 EDT
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Reply-To: chuqui@nsc.UUCP (Chuq Von Rospach)
Organization: Uncle Chuqui's Lemming Farm
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Summary: 

>If you think about the economics of the situation, you will realize
>that no one on the net is really a "freeloader".  Sure, you only pay
>for the initial cost of each message you send;  but you also pay for
>the intermediate or final costs for everyone else.  In this way you
>are paying for the full trip of your message.  One might say that
>sites that only receive partial feeds are "freeloading", since they
>are not supporting the costs of all the material they aren't getting.
>However, there aren't that many partial feeds, and they don't feed
>other people anyway.

Uh, hmm.... Someone seems to have forgotten the concept of a long distance
phone call. There is so much illogic in this posting I'm not quite sure how
to deal with it. 

IF everyone was on something like the ARPA net, then I'd agree with some of
those statements. The second you have phone links with unequal cost it goes
to pot. You're telling me that a leaf site that brings news into itself
and doesn't send it anywhere else is an equal partner with a site like
hplabs, which has three feeds to three different geographic areas
(Tektronix, sdcrdcf, and hao) and feeds something like seven local sites. 
Give me a break. How do you equate a local phone call being equivalent to
the million dollar a year phone bill at decvax?


The reality of the situation is that a few large and generous sites are
spending a lot of money supporing a large number of small sites (I recently
coined the term parasite, but I'll avoid the pun this time) who make only
local phone calls, who don't pass along news to anyone else, and who seem
to think that the net really is magic, or free, or something. 

Oh, another illogic is that partial feeds are the freeloaders, and that
there aren't many. Some major geographic areas (europe, british columbia,
and australia) ALL take only partial feeds for cost reasons. There are a
lot more partial sites than you might expect, and it is a growing reality
that the net is becoming increasingly unwilling to tolerate the garbage
that is propogating.
some rea
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Chuq Von Rospach nsc!chuqui@decwrl.ARPA {decwrl,hplabs,ihnp4}!nsc!chuqui

An uninformed opinion is no opinion at all. If you dont know what you're
talking about, please try to do it quietly.