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From: fritz@phri.UUCP (Dave Fritzinger)
Newsgroups: net.origins
Subject: Re: Re: Orphaned Response
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Date: Mon, 26-Aug-85 08:45:47 EDT
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Posted: Mon Aug 26 08:45:47 1985
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>      First Mike, I would like to challange your first assertation that whales
> show many "progressive" organs.  How do you know they are "progressive"?  I


Two points, Lief.  First of all, let's get off of this talk about "progressive"
vs. "regressive" changes.  If a change takes place that helps to improve a 
species chance to live and reproduce, it is by definition a "progressive"
change.  If it hinders an organisms chance for survival and reproduction, 
it is a "regressive" change.  However, the odds are that we will not see
any regressive changes, since the organisms carrying them have all died!!!!!

Second point.  You have talked about whales losing their legs as a "regressive"
change.  I think that even you will admit that a "current edition" of a whale
could not mate with the former edition that had legs.  Therefore, *by
definition*, speciation has occured, and YOU ARE ADMITTING THAT EVOLUTION
TAKES PLACE.  Thank you for admitting this, and the argument of evolution vs.
creationism appears to be over.
-- 
Dave Fritzinger, Public Health Research Institute, NY,NY
{allegra!phri!fritz}

"I think. I think I am. Therefore, I am,...I think."

					Moody Blues