Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site imsvax.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!decvax!genrad!panda!talcott!harvard!seismo!umcp-cs!cvl!elsie!imsvax!ted From: ted@imsvax.UUCP (Ted Holden) Newsgroups: net.origins Subject: Re: Gravity/ reply to Pam Pincha Message-ID: <389@imsvax.UUCP> Date: Fri, 6-Sep-85 18:28:16 EDT Article-I.D.: imsvax.389 Posted: Fri Sep 6 18:28:16 1985 Date-Received: Tue, 10-Sep-85 20:58:09 EDT Organization: IMS Inc, Rockville MD Lines: 101 Pam Pincha quotes me as saying: >> Picture >> ancient man exterminating EVERY SINGLE ONE of the double-sized >> super-rhinos or megalotheriums on this planet with knives and >> spears. That is what Bill Jefferys, Stan Friesen et al would >> have us believe happened. Then says, and I quote: >AAAAARGH!!!!!!!!!!:-) >I CARE TO DIFFER WITH THE BLANTENT MISDIRECTION OF THIS ARTICLE! > >In my reading of the articles listed (and the ones the I have posted) >NO WHERE was it stated that man killed off ALL the mega-fauna!!!!!!! >In fact I SPECIFICALLY STATED that was not the case!!! READ YOUR >ARTICLES CAREFULLY!!!! Now, the original quote from Jefferys, about a month and a half ago, was: >It is well established that the first people in the >Western hemisphere were responsible for the extinction >of most of the large mammals in North and South >America. They had nothing but stone weapons, but their >methods were extremely effective. If I exxagerated in quoting this one, it wasn't by much. Don't jump into an argument a month and a half late and assume you know what's going on, Pam!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > >Point 2 - In regard to no fauna recorded being wiped out over an >entire continent until recently __WRONG!WRONG!WRONG!!!!!!!!!!! >This has happened quite frequently throughout geologic history. >The most distinctive of these are the INDEX FOSSILS geologist >use all the time to distinquish ceertian areas, and time periods. >These are very significant and usefull indicators. >So on this point you have been grossly mislead!! You talk about ME misquoting other people? I wrote: " Consider that no instance is known of an entire species being exterminated from a major continent in recorded history other than at the hand of man, and that only recently, within the last several hundred years. Ancient man had neither the capability nor the inclination for such feats. Most of the cases of species extermination which science books like to go over occured on islands." The three key words in the paragraph are the ones at the end of the second line "IN RECORDED HISTORY", by which I obviously meant the last several thousand years. I don't intentionally misquote other people and I don't like being accused of such, and I don't like people misquoting me or setting up straw men at my expense, Pam. You've managed all three in one article. Do you have anything planned for an encore? > >Point 3 - No ancient calendar having more than 360 days. Please! >Look up the Olmec calendar(which later became the Mayan calendar) >for accurate calendars. They not only had 365 days they had >compensations for all leap year contingencies.Their calendar >rivals ours (and is in some ways better)for accuracy! What are >you trying to prove with that statement? This one is actually very simple. Calendars designed after the last global catastrophy tend to be 365 days, those designed before it were 360. There was an intermediate period when most antique nations had a 360 day calendar with five non-days or festival days at the end of each year. > >Point 4 - In reguards to the texts used on dinosaur calculations >and such. These texts wouldn't have those type of calculations >anyway! They are VERY GENERAL overview texts that make no pretentions >of being in depth texts! I suggest you check on Romers texts and >the journals (Journal of Paleontology) for you mathematical cal- >culations. The books you mentioned are beginners texts and the calculations >are long involved and BORING. General beginnig text rarely mention >such. THIS DOES NOT MEAN IT DOES EXIST!!(Another good example of the >"magical thinking"that is rampant in some of the replies on this net. >Note:That was an editorial comment Mail all flames, don't clutter >the net with them,please. Thank-you) Go look again. Get serious: you write an entire article flaming me then want the return stroke MAILED? The Russians have a better conception of fairness than that! > >Point 5 - albatrosses stop flying at thirty pounds -- condors are bigger >and heavier and BETTER at flying! Regarding points 4 and 5, see my article on the net entitled "Powerlifting and the Ultrasaur".