Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site decwrl.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!ucbvax!decwrl!williams@kirk.DEC (John Williams 223-3402) From: williams@kirk.DEC (John Williams 223-3402) Newsgroups: net.philosophy Subject: Getting Nowhere, FAST! Message-ID: <148@decwrl.UUCP> Date: Mon, 26-Aug-85 14:53:44 EDT Article-I.D.: decwrl.148 Posted: Mon Aug 26 14:53:44 1985 Date-Received: Wed, 28-Aug-85 20:54:26 EDT Sender: daemon@decwrl.UUCP Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation Lines: 36 Richard. You seem to have forgotten something completely. Natural language works through analogy. Free will is a useful term for education. Eliminating the term free will is like eliminating Newtonian physics because it is not 100% accurate. You have appeared to have graduated past this philosophical ideal. Good for you. You have seen the exceptions and why this analogy is not completely accurate. Congratulations. Free will is *STILL* a useful term. I certainly hope that in your grand wisdom you don't fail to leave a path to understanding. The problem as far as I can see between you and the term free will is that it is oversimplified. I personally suggest that you consider expanding the meaning of free will to accomodate not only it's ideal meaning, but it's inaccuracies, as well. You will only be getting far ahead of yourself if you try to accurately define what everyone else refers to as free will. So, let's devise an experiment. I will choose a series of numbers, and you will attempt to find a pattern. If you can accurately guess the numbers, then I will concede that I have no free will. I don't know about you, but I find the presence of free will easier to demonstrate than the absence of it. I suggest that you have to modify your understanding of it, as you modify your understanding of everything, everything that you learn through analogy. John. Forgive, but *DON'T* Forget.