Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site lsuc.UUCP Path: utzoo!lsuc!msb From: msb@lsuc.UUCP (Mark Brader) Newsgroups: net.physics Subject: Re: Weird Gravitational effects at Lake Delton Wisconsin Message-ID: <776@lsuc.UUCP> Date: Sat, 31-Aug-85 13:21:21 EDT Article-I.D.: lsuc.776 Posted: Sat Aug 31 13:21:21 1985 Date-Received: Sat, 31-Aug-85 15:28:28 EDT References: <974@sphinx.UChicago.UUCP> <203@tekig5.UUCP> <155@rtp47.UUCP> Reply-To: msb@lsuc.UUCP (Mark Brader) Organization: Law Society of Upper Canada, Toronto Lines: 27 Summary: Nonsense, but a level mightn't disprove it Wayne Throop (throopw@rtp47.UUCP) writes: > I expect (if the owners would allow you to do it), simply measuring the > platform with a tape measure and (perhaps) a carpenter's level would > expose the trickery. It is probably "off level" by a couple of degrees, > and one side is a little longer than the other to make it appear level > to the eye. Wayne is surely correct, but his experimental design is faulty. Say the operators of the place are claiming that their platform is horizontal but due to a gravity anomaly it seems to be tilted 5 degrees. And say that a carpenter's level gives a reading that shows that it is tilted 5 degrees. Well, what drives a carpenter's level? Gravity! So this does NOT disprove the claim. The simplest ways that come to my mind are a gyroscope and astronomical observations (measure the sun's position assuming the floor is level, and again assuming your level is level; compare with outside observations at the same time, or computed position). Of course, if they are claiming that something is rectangular when it isn't, THAT's easy to disprove. And optical illusions where two people seem to change heights when they change positions, particularly in photographs where you don't get binocular depth cues, are well known. The operators are probably exploiting this as well as non-level surfaces; it doesn't do to assume one trick covers all. Mark Brader