Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/5/84; site prometheus.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!gamma!epsilon!zeta!sabre!petrus!bellcore!decvax!genrad!panda!talcott!harvard!seismo!umcp-cs!prometheus!pmk From: pmk@prometheus.UUCP (Paul M Koloc) Newsgroups: net.physics Subject: Re: Electron radius Message-ID: <177@prometheus.UUCP> Date: Mon, 2-Sep-85 03:50:45 EDT Article-I.D.: promethe.177 Posted: Mon Sep 2 03:50:45 1985 Date-Received: Wed, 4-Sep-85 05:17:32 EDT References: <522@sri-arpa.ARPA> Organization: Prometheus II Ltd., College Park, MD Lines: 46 TERRY%LAJ.SAINET.MFENET@LLL-MFE.ARPA Terry of Science Applications Incorporated? at LLNL Magnetic Fusion Energy? picks up on inconsistencies: > I see no basis for the assumption that the rest mass of an electron is > due entirely to the mass of its electrostatic energy. The following > equation is then given: > m*c^2 = e^2/r > radius is ~ e^2/(m*c^2). Where did the approximation come in? > . .. e is proportional to the charge, without giving the constant of > proportionality ... . . a number for his use of e. > The value for r is then given as ~ 3*10^15 meters. Is this really correct? > . .. . poor little electron which has been shown by experiment to be > indistinguishable from a point particle. Clearly the electron has energy tied up in electrostatic energy, and to a lesser degree magnetic energy. We only used the approximation m*c^2 ~ e^2/r + ... . to show that an electron has real physical size and is not a "zero extent" or point particle. Certainly, the electric energy doesn't exceed or exactly equal the electrons rest mass (energy). But, assuming that all of the rest mass energy was due to entirely to its electrostatic energy gives us a lower bound for the radius of an "at rest" electron. The numerical value given was INCORRECTLY copied from a previous article and should read ~ 3*10^(-15) meters. "e" is defined as follows: "e^2" = "q^2/(4*pi*8.854*10-12 newton {meters squared}) where "q" is electron charge (equals 1.6 * 10^{-19}coulombs). I know of NO experiment which has the appropriate sensitivity that shows an electron is indistinguishable from a point. There are equations which can reduce the earth's mass as acting from a point to obtain an usable result. That doesn't mean that the earth's radius is an infintesmal. The mathematical treatment in such cases are not complete, and should not be extrapolated beyond the limit of its assumptions. - - NOTE: MAIL PATH MAY DIFFER FROM HEADER - - +-------------------------------------------------------+--------+ | Paul M. Koloc, President: (301) 445-1075 | FUSION | | Prometheus II Ltd., College Park, MD 20740-0222 | this | | ..umcp-cs!seismo!prometheus!pmk.UUCP | decade | +-------------------------------------------------------+--------+