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From: ray@rochester.UUCP (Ray Frank)
Newsgroups: net.kids,net.legal,net.politics
Subject: Re: corporal punishment in schools
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Date: Mon, 2-Sep-85 10:18:30 EDT
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Posted: Mon Sep  2 10:18:30 1985
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> In article <1214@teddy.UUCP> lkk@teddy.UUCP (Larry K. Kolodney) writes:
>	Discipline based on fear is worse than no discipline at all.
> 
I must pose to you a situation involving a parent child confrontation.
Parent :    Time for bed.
4yr old:    Nope.

Parent :    Please, time for bed now.
4yr old:    Nope.

Parent :    You must go to bed now.
4yr old:    Nope. 

And so on, what would you do?  Remember, you said discipline based on fear is
better than no disipline at all.  You're not allowed to threaten to take his
teddy bear away.  You're not allowed to tell him he can't have ice cream if
he doesn't listen.  Are not these tactics based on threatening the child with
fear, i.e. no ice cream, take away your buddy the teddy bear.  I really want to
know what you would do without some kind of threat.  By the way, you are not
allowed to bodily carry him to bed, that would be physically taking matters in
hand and over powering him with your size.  Besides, he would just climb out of
bed and come downstairs.  What WOULD you do?