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From: gene@batman.UUCP (Gene Mutschler)
Newsgroups: net.politics
Subject: Re: Changing Realities in South Africa
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Date: Wed, 4-Sep-85 12:33:58 EDT
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Here we go again...  Berman quotes me wrt the absurd notion that
being nice to the blacks will stop the ANC in its tracks:
> -----------------------------------------
> >I see.  We are going to defeat the communists in the African National
> >Congress by being nice to them.  This, I take it, is the REAL constructive
> >engagement.
> >-- 
> >Gene Mutschler    
> -------------------------------------------
Berman then goes off on a tangent:
> Two days ago the US State Department
> called for negotiations including the ANC and
> called for the release of Nelson Mandela,
> imprisoned leader of the ANC (source: NYTimes Aug 28-29, '85).
> 
> (It is admittedly curious that the State Department does this while
> President Ronnie [sic] makes a speech on how segregation has disappeared
> in South Africa!)

Not curious at all.  The civil service positions, which is probably where
that drivel came from, are not subject to control by the White House.
Foggy Bottom, as it is known, has long been the last redoubt of the
appeasers and world-government crowd.  They do what they want and cannot
be fired.  For anything.  They do not speak for me or for the real
State Department--the Reagan appointees.

As to Reagan's statement, it is more nearly true at a factual level than
you might think.  The SA government has eliminated many of the segregation
features as we knew them here in the South not so long ago.  These
consisted of separate facilities for blacks and whites at train stations,
stores, etc.  The SA government has gotten rid of much of this 'petit
apartheid', although it has not got rid of the more pernicious apartheid
itself.

> White busness leaders including the South African Chamber of Commerce
> are now demanding that the government negotiate.

If you can bestir yourself to go back and read the very first posting
I ever made on this subject, I predicted that that is just what would
and should happen.  I called it a "revolution of rising expectations".
When blacks realize their economic power, they will use it.  The
unfortunate thing for you is that they will eventually realize what
would happen to their economic well-being if the likes of Mandela
were to take over.

Your ignorance of what I said is typical of the American Left--
you never seem to be particularly interested in what I or anybody
else has to say, unless it hits one of your "hot buttons" so that
you can launch into a left-wing diatribe.  This is typical of you
leftists--you only hear what you want to hear.  I guess this is where
the term "knee-jerk liberal" comes from.  The Soviets use your
selective hearing to manipulate you people like putty.

> A dozen US Senators have just given money to ANC leader Winnie Mandela to
> rebuild her house and clinic destroyed by the Apartheid regime.

1) Your claim as to the perpetrators has not been proven so far as
I know.  2) If a bunch of Senators want to grab some headlines and
votes by paying blood money to a Communist that is their privilege.
Just remind me not to vote for them next time.

> The ANC officies in Zambia have, in fact, begun negotiation
> with some white businesses
> over the means by which Apartheid will be dismantled. (NYT, same
> dates).

This proves nothing except that desparate men do desparate things.

> Give up the ghost of past illusions, Gene. A political line
> denying the immenent changes in South Africa serves no one.
> We either deal with the future leaders of South Africa or a
> self-fulfilling prophesy of a hostile government will come
> to reality.
> 
>            Andy Berman  ...ihnp4!ihlpg!berman

To repeat: if you think you can "deal" with the likes of the ANC
and Mandela, I pity you.  They eat people like you for lunch.
Think of yourself as a big chocolate eclair--black (in spirit at least)
on the outside, white on the inside, and squishy-soft all through.
-- 
Gene Mutschler             {ihnp4 seismo ctvax}!ut-sally!batman!gene
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