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From: ray@rochester.UUCP (Ray Frank)
Newsgroups: net.kids,net.legal,net.politics
Subject: Re: corporal punishment in schools
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Date: Fri, 6-Sep-85 10:51:55 EDT
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Posted: Fri Sep  6 10:51:55 1985
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> > > In article <1214@teddy.UUCP> lkk@teddy.UUCP (Larry K. Kolodney) writes:
> > >	Discipline based on fear is worse than no discipline at all.
> > > 
> > I must pose to you a situation involving a parent child confrontation.
> > Parent :    Time for bed.
> > 4yr old:    Nope.
> > 
> > Parent :    Please, time for bed now.
> > 4yr old:    Nope.
> > 
> > Parent :    You must go to bed now.
> > 4yr old:    Nope. 
> > 
> > And so on, what would you do?  Remember, you said discipline based on fear is
> > worse than no disipline at all.  You're not allowed to threaten to take his
> > teddy bear away.  You're not allowed to tell him he can't have ice cream if
> > he doesn't listen.  Are not these tactics based on threatening the child with
> > fear, i.e. no ice cream, take away your buddy the teddy bear.  I really want to
> > know what you would do without some kind of threat.  By the way, you are not
> > allowed to bodily carry him to bed, that would be physically taking matters in
> > hand and over powering him with your size.  Besides, he would just climb out of
> > bed and come downstairs.  What WOULD you do?
> 
> Why can't I bodily carry him to bed?  "Physically taking matters in hand and
> over powering" is a much different situation than physical abuse which is what
> this discussion is all about.  I don't think there's a parent around who would
> balk at physically restraining an unruly child.  I make liberal use of "THE
> TIMER".  This is a version of the old "sit in the corner" routine which
> involves sitting (or in Anne's case standing) in the corner until the timer
> rings.  The developmental psych people say that the optimal amount of time is
> about equivalent to their age.  Therefore, 2-year olds get two minutes, 3-year
> olds get 3 minutes, etc.  Misbehaviour while in the corner simply adds time to
> the timer.  It seems pretty effective at home and Anne's Day Care uses it
> there, too.  I've never seen a better behaved bunch of kids! 
> 
Carry him to bed, but what happens if he decides to get up and back into the
living room?  Tie him to bed!!!?

Two minutes, three minutes?  Sounds like your making soft or hard boiled eggs.
What if the kid doesn't stay in the corner?  When will she accumulate so much
time that it becomes unrealistic to expect her to carry out the sentence?
> -- 
> 
> Sarah E. Dugan
> "You have to kiss a lot of frogs
> before you find a prince."

You have to mess with a lot of sleepers before you find the beauty!