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From: berman@psuvax1.UUCP (Piotr Berman)
Newsgroups: net.politics
Subject: Re: Statistics are like a bikini...
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Date: Fri, 6-Sep-85 17:53:41 EDT
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Posted: Fri Sep  6 17:53:41 1985
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> 
>      I ran into so interesting statistics the other day, and seeing as 
> Oded Feingold had made this comment about my previous submission, I 
> thought maybe I'd hit the subject again:
> 
> >[Black]>  After all, there are  approximately 40 million Jews worldwide.
> >[OAF]		A standard claim of those who assert the holocaust never
> >		existed.  Nobody has ever been able to find 26.5 million 
> >		of those Jews.
> 
>      Using Oded's figures, which I assume are reasonably correct, this 
> comes to approximately 13.5 million Jews in the world today.
> 
>      Since the Jewish population tends to shift from country to country
> over the past few decades, only the world total figures are meaningful.
> 
>      In the 1938 edition of the "World Almanac" of the American Jewish 
> Committee, the world population of Jews was 15,688,259.  
> 
>      Assuming that 6 million Jews died in the European Holocaust, that should
> leave about 9,688,000, right?  Allegedly, the worst period of the genocide
> occurred between 1941 and 1945.  Jean-Paul Satre, in his review "Les Temps
> Modernes," places the death rate at 25,000 per day for 4 1/2 years.
> (Let's see...that's 4.5 years times 365 days times 25,000....)
> 
>      But we find according to an article by Hanson W. Baldwin, published in
> the New York Times of 22 February 1948, less than three years from the end
> of the alleged Holocaust, the world Jewish population was 18,700,000---
> a net GAIN of 3 million from the population of 1938!  If in fact the 
> population was only 9.69 million at the end of 1945, this indicates that 
> the Jewish population would have to double itself in less than three years.  
> I don't think even the Chinese have that high a birth rate (my apologies 
> to our Chinese neighbors).  Talk about a post-war baby boom!
> 
Don, do you know any Jew?  Or you have contact only with "Jewish sources"?
I am a half-Jew from Warsaw, Poland.  My father and one of his brother
survived in USSR.  Other uncle survived as a French prisoner of war
(Germans were treating POW better than other Jews, although worse than
gentile POW's).  Before WWII the families were numerous.  NO ONE of
my kin survived in Poland.  I know peple who escaped from concentration
camps and Warsaw ghetto.  There were very few of those.
   Before WWII Poland had 3,500,000 Jews, most of them Yiddish speaking
and of othodox religion.  These people are not there, nor in any other
place!   If you do not count the emigration before WWII or Jews who
were dislocated by the war to USSR, it is difficult to find one
of those 3,000,000 unfortunates.  Although the number of 6,000,000
is not very well documented, this estimate seems to be accurate up to 5%.
   As far as different numbers of Jews are concerned, it is unavoidable,
if you take into account varying definitions of a Jew.  I happen to
satisfy some, but not the orthodox one.  Nobody counts Jews precisely,
especially if a liberal criteria are considered.  According to the most
frequently cited sources, the number is 15-16 millions.  
   Now, I conjecture that you are the most blantant racist on the net.
You may claim that you are merely confused by conflicting data.
However:
You quote "World Almanac" of Jewish American Committee.  It so happens
that in every convenience store you may purchase "World Almanac", 
sponsored not by JAC but by a sindicate of American newspapers.
There you may read the number of 15-16 millions which I quoted,
and the source given is JAC.  Therefore I presume that "World Almanac"
which you cite is the prewar edition of the same.  This way you you
can vary easily compare numbers prepared according to the same
criteria.  3 millions less after 45 years is fully compatible with
6 millions loss during WWII.  You however access the most obscure
data, but "overlook" the ones which are easiest to obtain.
  I really should not spend any time answering you, but you touched
a sore name.  If it would be your family, from which only sites of
burned buildings remained (no photos, no graves) you would joke a 
little less about fertility rates.

   Piotr Berman