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Subject: Re: Re: Orphaned Response (Crux of the B
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Date: Thu, 5-Sep-85 11:33:00 EDT
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>/* Written  4:54 am  Sep  4, 1985 by spar!baba in inmet:net.politics.t */
>/* ---------- "Re: Orphaned Response (Crux of the" ---------- */
>> No basis in logic?  Given that one desires all human interactions to be
>> voluntary, it would seem logical to forbid those that are not.
>>
>>				Nat Howard (nrh@inmet.UUCP)
>
>Why should I desire that all human interactions be voluntary?  Some of the 
>things I've been coerced into doing have ended up being positive elements 
>in my life.  I don't enjoy being coerced, but that displeasure is only one
>of a number of aspects of a given situation.  I tend to decide whether or
>not an interaction was worthwhile on the basis of its effect on me and on 
>others, rather than any one characteristic of the action itself.  I can 
>believe that you might personally experience coercion as so galling as to 
>negate in your own mind any positive result it might bring about, but there 
>is no *logic* in such a perspective.  Just preference.
>
>						Baba

Agreed. As I pointed out in that article:

>Of course, that it is desirable that neither force nor fraud should
>occur, and desirable that when this happens the instigators be dealt
>with somehow, are postulates.  I know of no postulates, anywhere, that
>have any basis in logic or fact.

As you say, and as I said, "logic" cannot be the basis for what you 
prefer.  I'm real curious to see if Paul Torek can come up with any
social order that has a basis in "logic or fact".