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From: tan@ihlpg.UUCP (Bill Tanenbaum)
Newsgroups: net.politics.theory
Subject: Re: (micromotives & macrobehavior)
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Date: Fri, 13-Sep-85 17:00:33 EDT
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Posted: Fri Sep 13 17:00:33 1985
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> >[Me]
> >For the 987234567981616th time, or thereabouts, you [Josh] pretend (or maybe
> >believe, but even you can't be that stupid) that the only alternative
> >to Libertaria is Stalinism, which you call socialism.  
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> [JoSH]
> For the 987234567981617th time, socialists can not claim credit for
> the ameliorating influences to their wretched blueprints for society,
> which exist in the Western democracies you extol.  If Huybenz and his 
> ilk had their way, they would be enjoying the power and perquisites
> of the political elite while the rest of us would be slaving for them
> in subsistence conditions.
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Josh, you miss my point entirely.  I was not commenting on who or what
gets the credit for those "ameliorating influences".  I was commenting
on your DEBATING TACTIC of saddling anyone who disagrees with your
position with the crimes of Stalin.  A hypothetical example:

Person A: "I think the government should do X."
X could be  collect taxes, license physicians, or license dogs.
You: "That's socialism.  Tell that to 10 million dead kulaks."

If I'm exaggerating, it's not by much.
-- 
Bill Tanenbaum - AT&T Bell Labs - Naperville IL  ihnp4!ihlpg!tan