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From: eli@cvl.UUCP (Eli Liang)
Newsgroups: net.rec
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Rock-climb rating systems <LONG>
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Date: Mon, 9-Sep-85 10:30:45 EDT
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Posted: Mon Sep  9 10:30:45 1985
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> [I like the Surf Punks.]
> > 
> > The problem is that in Yosemite, there's really nothing new under the sun.
> > 
> > -eli
> > 
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> > Eli Liang  ---
> >         University of Maryland Computer Vision Lab, (301) 454-4526
> 
> That's right!  No sense in going to Yosemite Valley.  Stay at the Gunks,
> Cannon Mt., Senaca.  Stay home.  Too many climbers here right now.
> 
> That's three of you guys quoting from Roper and Steck.  I think, I'll
> tell Al about this electronic discussion the next time I see him.  I think
> he'll really get a kick!  He'll say something like: "God, you'll have to
> carry a portable computer when you go climb."  [This has been done
> actually: I've skied with an LSI-11 on my back, Mike Hoover has carried
> a lap top word processor [can't remember the name], Nick Estcourt programmed
> expedition simulations in England before getting killed on K2, and
> Chris Bonnington continues to use Nick's programs].
> 
> Again: stay away from Yosemite:  it's hot, overcrowded, all the holds
> are covered with chalk, all the cracks are bottomed out pin scars,
> all the young kids climb 5.14, there are tourists all over the place,
> the Rangers get down on you for not registering, take up surfing.
> 
> --eugene miya
>   NASA Ames Research Center
>   {hplabs,ihnp4,dual,hao,decwrl,allegra}!ames!aurora!eugene
>   emiya@ames-vmsb

No, no, no!  I didn't mean it that way at all!  I mean, if your looking
for 'new' routes that aren't contrived 5.13+'s, you're going to have to look
very hard for them in Yosemite.  I'm certainly not a 5.13 climber (nowhere
close!) and I think that Yosemite is one of the best climbing spots in the
US, so please don't take umbrage...  I also didn't realize I was quoting
Roper and Steck, although I very well may have been.  After all, like I
read it too like most aspiring climbers.  Perhaps a silly line like that
sticks in ones mind...

-eli
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