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From: pez@pyuxn.UUCP (Paul Zimmerman)
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Subject: Ken Ardnt speaks about God
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Date: Mon, 26-Aug-85 12:35:21 EDT
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Posted: Mon Aug 26 12:35:21 1985
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	All I could say to Mr. Ardnt is, well, you've confirmed everything
I've seen of you from a distance when you decided to attack me personally.
Anyone who disagrees with you, it seems, hasn't gone to high school yet.
Or hasn't learned to read. I'll have you know that I read more than a few
science texts in my quest for a Bachelor's in Physics and a Master's in
Electrical Engineering. And more than a few philosophy and religion texts.
(I had a very broad liberal religious education, not the strict upbringing
you might assume as the ``cause'' of the positions held by some atheist
types.) And I went through a bit more than the bare bones Philosophy 101
course that you apparently flunked.  I list these things, not because they
are relevant, but because credentials seem to impress you, Mr. Ardnt, more
than facts do.

	Mr. Dyer also suggested that my position was worthy of men with
butterfly nets coming along. I suggest that maybe Mr. Ardnt and Mr. Dyer
are so afraid of coming to grips with a realization of the truth about
the Damager-God that they feel the need to ridicule anyone who holds this
position.  Out of total petrifying fear, perhaps, that it just might be
true. ``There are none so blind as those who will not see.'' God wrote
that line into the Bible (through His agents) in hopes that it would
convince people like Ardnt that it is his beliefs that other people do not
see, instead of him not seeing other beliefs. Like the evil of God.
Certainly, Mr. Ardnt has never acquired a new belief. His ideas have been
stagnant since they were first acquired. He condemns my ideas of coming
from as far back as the first century. Since his ideas are even older than
that, they must be even worse [sic] than mine.

	I'm sure the knowledge that Mr. Ardnt is a buffoon of the most
idiotic kind is no news to anyone, common knowledge to anyone whos seen
anything he's written. He complains about others not reading books that
are to his liking. To be sure, those books are typical of the stagnant
witless thinking that permeates Ardnt's mind. But worst of all is his
condemning of another person's thinking just because he doesn't like
it, because he is afraid it might be right, not because he has the facts
or even the tools to prove that thinking wrong.

	So I must ask, Mr. Ardnt (and Mr. Dyer), what it is about the idea
of a heinous evil Damager-God fouling up the universe that you fear so much
that you can do nothing but ridicule it.

	(I apologize to others reading this article for the vindictive tone,
but I'm sure others among you have been the victim of Mr. Ardnt's out of
hand condemnation of anything he just happens not to like.)
-- 
Paul Zimmerman - AT&T Bell Laboratories
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