Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site pyuxd.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!gamma!pyuxww!pyuxd!rlr From: rlr@pyuxd.UUCP (Rich Rosen) Newsgroups: net.politics,net.religion Subject: Re: "Secular Humanism" banned in the US Schools. Message-ID: <1621@pyuxd.UUCP> Date: Fri, 30-Aug-85 00:00:31 EDT Article-I.D.: pyuxd.1621 Posted: Fri Aug 30 00:00:31 1985 Date-Received: Sat, 31-Aug-85 06:30:06 EDT References: <4141@alice.UUCP> <938@bunker.UUCP> <161@gargoyle.UUCP> Organization: Whatever we're calling ourselves this week Lines: 72 Xref: watmath net.politics:10735 net.religion:7505 >>Don't you know? Teaching you to use logical reasoning instead of taking >>things on faith? Learning the scientific method of objective analysis? >>Why, all of that is SECULAR HUMANISM!!!!! Because it leads you to conclusions >>that contradict religious thinking. Thus, religionists feel it should be >>banned, to prevent people from thinking about such things. Isn't that clear? > Wrong! Thats not what secular humanism teaches. It teaches little children > how to think about suicide. It teaches them that some people's lives are > worth less than others. It teaches them that homosexuality and premarital > sex are choices for them to consider. It also teaches them to ignore any > values they may be learning in the home and that values are purely subjective > and how to make their own values. (if any!) [BOSKOVICH] I think this merits a translation from the opinions of a fanatical Christian into words approaching a more objective version of what secular humanism is and what people like Boskovich say about it that it is not. If it teaches them to think about suicide, about why people might feel like committing suicide in this world (rather than covering up or ignoring the fact), great! If it teaches them to make their own choices about sex based on positive real information and not edicts, great! If it teaches them that some people's lives are worth less than others, it's probably a religious institution we're talking about and not a school teaching the dreaded secular humanism (note how such religious schooling did and still does teach about the inferiority of, not only non-Christian groups, but even other Christian groups in many cases). If it teaches them to think for themselves and not blindly accept the values of their parents and clergy, given them the faculties and tools to do so, GREAT!!!!!!!! I can only hope for more of this in the future. > Come on! No more BS! Secular humanism is designed to eliminate God from > our society and its central target is the YOUNG! Thank God for that! :-) This is the raving of a paranoid desperately believing in some plot to "eliminate god". If god is "eliminated" from people's thoughts because they are taught a little bit of reasoning ability to help them reach new conclusions, what are you going to do about it? Call teaching of such things "secular humanism" and try to ban it? That's exactly what you are doing with your vile disgusting lies designed to smear the teaching to children of how to think for themselves independent of you and your precious so-called values. > And its working just fine! Because most parents don't have the slightest > idea what is going on in the public school systems. Especially you, Mr. Boskovich. It is most apparent that you are making up stories about what "the teaching of secular humanism in our schools" is all about, to further your own sick ends. Hopefully some day your children may be able to write a set of essays about objective proof for something (as you did) in which they actually provide objective proof, having learned what it means and how to acquire it. Why do you want to stop this from happening? Because you value your values more than the good of your own children? > If anybody is interested in finding out, Phyllis Schlafly wrote a book > that tells all the gory details. Can't remember the name off hand but > will find out and post it! Anybody who would trust the word of Phyllis Schafly, a woman whose writing uses as much substantiatory material as yours, Dan, I would question. Dan, if you are such a "good Christian", why do feel the need to make up lies about the "evil secular humanism" in order to preserve your values at the expense of teaching your children about reasoning, science, and independent thought? Are you a Communist? It sounds like a Communist plot to squelch the minds of our children and make them willing slaves when the Commies take over? I don't believe this, of course, but reassure me please: are the fundamentalist Christians really Communists out to destroy the foundation of American thinking? -- "Meanwhile, I was still thinking..." Rich Rosen ihnp4!pyuxd!rlr