Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/5/84; site scgvaxd.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!gamma!epsilon!zeta!sabre!petrus!bellcore!decvax!tektronix!hplabs!sdcrdcf!trwrb!scgvaxd!dan From: dan@scgvaxd.UUCP (Dan Boskovich) Newsgroups: net.origins,net.religion,net.religion.christian Subject: Re: The Bible -- a reliable source of information about God Message-ID: <396@scgvaxd.UUCP> Date: Wed, 28-Aug-85 19:19:04 EDT Article-I.D.: scgvaxd.396 Posted: Wed Aug 28 19:19:04 1985 Date-Received: Mon, 2-Sep-85 03:30:52 EDT References: <8508172148.AA02946@sdcc6.ARPA> <308@pyuxn.UUCP> <2195@sdcc6.UUCP> Reply-To: dan@scgvaxd.UUCP (PUT YOUR NAME HERE) Organization: Hughes Aircraft Co., El Segundo, CA Lines: 76 Xref: watmath net.origins:2268 net.religion:7516 net.religion.christian:1191 Summary: > As to why they (Paul Dubois >or Don Boskovich) haven't stepped forward, I can offer one possible Well, I see that my silence concerning Mr. Zimmerman's Evil-Damager-god theory has him in wonder. When I first read your article, Mr. Z, I felt it was pointless to respond. However, I did think that Rick Frey's response was quite good and said just about everything I would have wanted to say. But, I have changed my mind now and have decided to respond after all. What I am really interested in is what happened to you to bring you to this conclusion. It would appear that at one time you probably considered yourself a Christian, but was hurt by something or someone. More likely you were hurt several times. I know that you can not possibly really believe your theory without being some sort of monster. To believe that an evil God is in control of the universe, you would no doubt be an evil madman yourself. More likely you have been hurt and are trying to hurt back. You are trying to hurt God for letting such things happen to you when, after all, you were only trying to serve Him. Or, maybe someone very close to you was hurt! Something has hurt you and has caused you to be bitter towards God! And now it is your turn to do some hurting! Well, you have succeeded! You have surely hurt God by your description of Him. You have also hurt the rest of God's people. In first Corinthians chapter 12 it says how the body of Christ is like a human body. It has many members and when one member suffers the whole body suffers. If you are suffering, we are suffering with you. Please consider these words: We all suffer disapointments. We all suffer pain and loss in our lives. We all question God's wisdom and love at times. I have been so angry at God for "letting" certain things happen to me that I have questoned Him. I have yelled and screamed at Him. I have shaken my fist at Him. But when it was all over and I felt worse for my trouble, He was still there waiting for me to calm down and seek His wisdom and comfort. The Apostle Paul considered it an honor to suffer for Him. Paul said it brought him closer to Christ when he suffered. Peter said much the same thing. Millions have suffered and died for Him. Why? Because they had truly experienced His love, joy, and peace. These things are worth giving up world possessions and even life. That is why James can say, "Consider it all joy when you go through various trials!" These trials and suffering can cause us to seek Gods love and comfort in such a way that we never would have had our life been a bed of roses! I believe David said, "It is good for me that I have been afflicted!" Why? For the reasons I just said. Paul said, "...that I might know the FELLOWSHIP of His suffering." Have you suffered as much as God has, MR. Z? To leave His place in glory and become human flesh only to be tortured, ridiculed, and killed by His own children, can hardly be compared to the suffering most of us have gone through. Yet there is another difference. We deserve it! He didn't! If you don't see Gods love being offered to you, I truly feel sorry for you and will remember you in my prayers. It is there waiting for you. Don't let your suffering and pain keep you from the only lasting cure for it. An evil-damager-god would have zapped you and me out a long time ago. A loving, gracious, and merciful God waits patiently for us to look up! I bought my wife a little plaque about a year ago! I couldn't resist it because it said these words which immediately struck my heart: "I asked Jesus (God) how much He loved me; He said, 'This much!' Then He streched out His hands and died!" Sincerely, Dan