Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 (Tek) 9/28/84 based on 9/17/84; site hammer.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!mhuxt!houxm!vax135!cornell!uw-beaver!tektronix!orca!hammer!seifert From: seifert@hammer.UUCP (Snoopy) Newsgroups: net.religion.christian Subject: Re: Religious question Message-ID: <1480@hammer.UUCP> Date: Wed, 4-Sep-85 16:45:10 EDT Article-I.D.: hammer.1480 Posted: Wed Sep 4 16:45:10 1985 Date-Received: Thu, 5-Sep-85 10:13:14 EDT References: <144@graffiti.UUCP> <57@bbncc5.UUCP> <811@aluxe.UUCP> Reply-To: seifert@hammer.UUCP (Snoopy) Organization: The Daisy Hill Puppy Farm Lines: 23 Summary: In article <811@aluxe.UUCP> bobhic@aluxe.UUCP (ADOLT) writes: >"Immaculate Conception" doctrine refers to the conception of >Mary, not Jesus. Made an article of faith by Pope Pius IX >in 1854, it holds that "the Blessed Virgin Mary, from the >first instant of her conception, was, by a most singular >grace and privilege of Almighty God...preserved from all >stain of Original Sin." How did the Pope come to this conclusion? Also, it seems to be implied that Mary didn't commit any sins, otherwise she would be stained with sin anyway. (yes? no?) If so, it then seems that she could have provided the sacrifice of someone who was without sin just as well as Jesus could. (Or was the sacrificial person required to be male?) The way I heard it, (no this isn't net.jokes! :-) ) was that the "stain of Original Sin" was transmitted through the father, thus Jesus could be free of sin 'merely' by means of the virgin birth. Mary was not required to be without sin. Snoopy tektronix!hammer!seifert