Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site cybvax0.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!cbosgd!ihnp4!mhuxn!mhuxr!ulysses!gamma!epsilon!zeta!sabre!petrus!bellcore!decvax!genrad!mit-eddie!cybvax0!mrh From: mrh@cybvax0.UUCP (Mike Huybensz) Newsgroups: net.religion.christian Subject: Re: The true God lives in the real world Message-ID: <729@cybvax0.UUCP> Date: Fri, 6-Sep-85 12:11:34 EDT Article-I.D.: cybvax0.729 Posted: Fri Sep 6 12:11:34 1985 Date-Received: Wed, 11-Sep-85 04:22:48 EDT References: <304@pyuxn.UUCP> <2137CJC@psuvm> <397@scgvaxd.UUCP> <2109@burdvax.UUCP> Reply-To: mrh@cybvax0.UUCP (Mike Huybensz) Organization: Cybermation, Inc., Cambridge, MA Lines: 25 [This article, at least, belongs only in net.christian, since it is about a putative action of the Christian god.] In article <2109@burdvax.UUCP> bnapl@burdvax.UUCP (Tom Albrecht) writes: > In article mrh@cybvax0.UUCP (Mike Huybensz) writes: > >Hardening Pharoh's heart is clearly a god manipulating a human contrary > >to the human's will, however much you deny it. Pharoh might well have > >released them without that interference. > > Incorrect. The Bible teaches that the heart (i.e. will) of man is evil and > wicked. Pharaoh, on his own, could have acted no other way. The > unregenerate man (Pharaoh) can only act according to his nature, which > Pharaoh did in this case. What happened to Pharaoh happens to every > person who rejects God and His offer of salvation. A classic example of being taken in by the big lie. The Bible's teaching that the heart of man is evil is obviously a case of the maltheistic deity blaming us for his own crimes. The ancient Jews cheered his malicious acts among the Egyptians for obvious reasons, which is the only reason why the hardening of Pharoh's heart would be reported accurately. A Pharoh who wasn't manipulated might well have let them go. A Pharoh who was manipulated in the opposite direction definitely would have let them go. -- Mike Huybensz ...decvax!genrad!mit-eddie!cybvax0!mrh