Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site peora.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!cbosgd!ihnp4!houxm!vax135!petsd!peora!jer From: jer@peora.UUCP (J. Eric Roskos) Newsgroups: net.micro,net.arch,net.research Subject: Re: Info wanted on In-circuit-emulators (ICE) Message-ID: <1607@peora.UUCP> Date: Tue, 10-Sep-85 08:19:26 EDT Article-I.D.: peora.1607 Posted: Tue Sep 10 08:19:26 1985 Date-Received: Wed, 11-Sep-85 06:42:08 EDT References: <321@sesame.UUCP> <59@intelca.UUCP> <3567@amdcad.UUCP> <308@gcc-bill.ARPA> Organization: Perkin-Elmer SDC, Orlando, Fl. Lines: 41 Xref: watmath net.micro:11919 net.arch:1769 net.research:218 > I've heard at lot about Intel's "attitude problem" - even as far as > "having to interview" to buy parts from them. See what working with > IBM does to you ;-) If we're going to talk about this subject (I don't know that it has much to do with computer architectures, but where else to talk about it?) there's something else significant about the difference between Intel and Motorola: their method of supplying documentation. Intel has a free service you can subscribe to, by which you get a glossy magazine each month with marketing things in it. Motorola has a paid service (fairly expensive, but worth it) by which you pay a fee and get sent copies of their literature for a year on a subscription basis, as it comes out. I'll take that over the Intel approach anytime. Also, a problem I found when I was in the University environment was that Intel after awhile developed a special program for college faculty & researchers, separate from the one for engineers; instead of the glossy magazine you got items that were supposed to relate to "education". The problem was that at the time I was very actively involved in research on an engineering problem, and didn't WANT a lot of stuff about education; I wanted to know what parts Intel made that could be used in this multiprocessor we were building. I always thought that educational material was kind of insulting, as if people in universities weren't "real" engineers and didn't need real data. I like Motorola's approach: charge a reasonable fee but give you just the FACTS, and let you make the decisions yourself. [They never did answer a few of the crazy questions I asked them about unconventional RAM access, but in general they were very helpful. (Now that I think about it, we used an Intel part for that special RAM... oh well... don't let the details get in the way of the generalizations... :-) )] -- Shyy-Anzr: J. Eric Roskos UUCP: Ofc: ..!{decvax,ucbvax,ihnp4}!vax135!petsd!peora!jer Home: ..!{decvax,ucbvax,ihnp4}!vax135!petsd!peora!jerpc!jer US Mail: MS 795; Perkin-Elmer SDC; 2486 Sand Lake Road, Orlando, FL 32809-7642 "Nalgvzr gbzbeebj, gur cubar'yy evat, naq lbh'yy or ba lbhe jnl. Onpx ubzr va Buvb, gurl jba'g oryvrir lbh..."