Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.3 from ihnp4 4.3bsd-beta 6/6/85; site chinet.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!mhuxt!houxm!ihnp4!chinet!tomj From: tomj@chinet.UUCP (Tom) Newsgroups: net.sf-lovers Subject: Criticism Message-ID: <175@chinet.UUCP> Date: Fri, 6-Sep-85 20:02:33 EDT Article-I.D.: chinet.175 Posted: Fri Sep 6 20:02:33 1985 Date-Received: Sat, 7-Sep-85 13:42:54 EDT Distribution: na Organization: chinet, Public Access UN*X, Chicago, IL Lines: 36 Keywords: Art, Anti-art, snobbery, taste From _ABC of Reading_ by Ezra Pound: 1. "Literature is news that STAYS news." 2. The critic who doesn't make a personal statement, but merely repeats other men's results is an unreliable critic. _krino_: to pick out for oneself, to choose. I will make a personal statement in this article. I do not believe that even one in one thousand science fiction/fantasy works are works of literature. If pushed to name one which is a work of literature, I would answer _Winter's Tale_, by Mark Helprin, a mainstream novel with millenial themes, and a serious dose of fantasy. I can read and re-read this novel, and still find new things; Mr. Helprin "writes like an angel", which doesn't hurt either. Other points: from Mr. Ellison's review of _Dhalgren_, I would have to believe that it isn't a work of literature: it'd be difficult to find something new in a work so turgid you cannot even finish! I enjoy detective novels, and sf/f works, and they aren't literature. It is difficult for me to re-read these works though. Examples of typical sf/f novels I cannot re-read: _Dayworld_, anything by Heinlein, Chalker, or Anthony. Examples of ones I can re-read: works by Glen Cook (in particular, the second book of the Black Company series: _Shadows Linger_), certain works by Zelazny, though I will never be able to fully appreciate that terrible pun about epilepsy again, and Tolkein's works. This phenomenon isn't confined to sf/f: consider re-reading a Le Carre spy novel! As to art, and anti-art, to put it in a mainstream context, I consider JRjr's work in the uncanny x-men anti-art, and Arthur Adams work in the special Blue (err, New) Mutants special edition ART, especially panel 3, page 5 panel 6 page 15, and panel 4 page 57. Read it!!!! (yes, I know that the x-puppies are mainstream; that doesn't mean the mag cannot be good!) Tom Johnston ihnp4!chinet!tomj