Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/5/84; site baylor.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!gamma!epsilon!zeta!sabre!petrus!bellcore!decvax!genrad!panda!talcott!harvard!seismo!ut-sally!ut-ngp!shell!neuro1!baylor!peter From: peter@baylor.UUCP (Peter da Silva) Newsgroups: net.sf-lovers Subject: Re: The Literature of Ideas Message-ID: <597@baylor.UUCP> Date: Tue, 3-Sep-85 14:00:39 EDT Article-I.D.: baylor.597 Posted: Tue Sep 3 14:00:39 1985 Date-Received: Wed, 11-Sep-85 07:13:29 EDT References: <515@baylor.UUCP> <1381@umcp-cs.UUCP> Organization: The Power Elite, Houston, TX Lines: 24 OK. You gave "Rendezvous with Rama" as one example, and "Glory Road" as another. I don't see that this is in any way a refutation of my thesis. Even throwing in LeGuin and a few other authors doesn't change things. Item: Leguin and the other authors you mentioned with her are outside the domain of SF. So, I think, are the other authors you mentioned. One must distinguish between SF and literature with an SF background. Stephen King writes plenty of the latter, but I don't believe he has provided one new theme. Item: Most of Clarke's writings, and now Bob Forwards, are pretty bad literature, but they succeed by fulfilling the other and I believe more important goal of being great SF. It is possible to write great SF by concentrating on the SF aspect. It is not possible to do so by concentrating on the literature. See, for example, the works of Stephen King. Item: 90% of SF is crud. So is 90% of everything else. How many romances are great works of literature? How many westerns? Item: Counterexamples to the assertion that SF is stylistically flat: The Demolished Man, Golem 100,... -- Peter (Made in Australia) da Silva UUCP: ...!shell!neuro1!{hyd-ptd,baylor,datafac}!peter MCI: PDASILVA; CIS: 70216,1076