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From: 9234dwz@houxf.UUCP (Head Roach)
Newsgroups: net.women
Subject: Re: Gender expectations
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Date: Tue, 3-Sep-85 17:31:02 EDT
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Posted: Tue Sep  3 17:31:02 1985
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->                                                          I have heard
->that I am too aggressive, that I get angry instead of breaking into tears,
->that I am too outspoken, too self-assured and too loud. One asshole even
->had the nerve to suggest that I was androgenised as a fetus and that
->made me "more like a man". Well, I think ....................................
->.................................................... They don't mean rude
->or unmannerly, either, but simply "masculine".                              

    A little problem here, how do you KNOW what they did or didn't mean. Oh
they told you did they, can you say backpeddling ?

->       Conversely, I've been shunned by some of those women who seem to
->think that feminine equates with prissy, manipulative, deceitful and 
->backbiting. I get the feeling that because I say what I think, I therefore
->"don't play fair". :-)  I often think, though, that if I were a man, I'd
->be seen as having lots of "drive", being a real "go-getter", a "no-bullshit"
->kinda guy. I have never ever wanted to change my biological sex, however -
->I suit me just fine, it's everyone else's attitudes that should change !
->
->jcpatilla
->

    Jody,

       If you described  man in the terms you just used as " too aggressive....
too outspoken,too self assured  and too loud", you'd hear him called things
other than "having lots of 'drive'", " a real go-getter","no bullshit kinda
guy". The most frequent term used would be "BALL BUSTER" [non sexist pun
intended], people descibed thusly do get ahead, mostly at others expense.

       I wholeheartedly agree with your stance in being the person your 
most happy with and let the rest of the world go fly a kite but don't
equate masculinity with the small percentage of *ballbusters* out there.



    Dave Peak
    @  ihnp4!hotel!dxp

"All the net's a stage and all the men and women merely ham actors !"
- Rev Peak (apologies to Bill S.)