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From: DONWON@houxf.UUCP (Head Roach)
Newsgroups: net.women
Subject: Re: Gender expectations
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Date: Mon, 9-Sep-85 17:51:26 EDT
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Posted: Mon Sep  9 17:51:26 1985
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-->>        If you described  man in the terms you just used as " too aggressive..
-->> too outspoken,too self assured  and too loud", you'd hear him called things
-->> other than "having lots of 'drive'", " a real go-getter","no bullshit kinda
-->> guy". The most frequent term used would be "BALL BUSTER" [non sexist pun
-->> intended], people descibed thusly do get ahead, mostly at others expense.
-->>     Dave Peak
-->
-->	I think you misunderstood the point I was trying to make. The point is
-->that *women* are expected to be meek, softspoken, non-aggressive, etc. By *not*
-->being so, I've been condemned for being "like a man" (guess I haven't been
-->keeping my place, eh ?). If I really *were* a man, my behavior would be accepted
-->as normal. It's not that I'm too aggressive, too outspoken, etc, FOR A *MAN*.
-->The problem lies in societal expectations of what is appropriate for male and
-->female behaviors.

   Agree totally ! However due to the "newness" of "aggressive women" the idea
of being "too ........" for women has a tendency to lump all "aggressive women"
into a ballbuster type of category. Unfortunately for us all (m & w), at the 
moment a more aggressive (than what is traditionally expected) women is too
often viewed as being a fanatic ( and who's going to listen to a fanatic).

  From previous postings of yours it seems that you fall into the category of
" a more aggressive woman" than "an aggressive woman". Some others posters
do fall into the latter definition and their views seem to be discounted by
a lot of the male correspondents( see previous paragraph on why).

-->	(Or maybe you just think I'm rude and obnoxious)
-->
    Far from it, you're probably one of the more polite posters, without being
too apologetic about everything. There are people on both fringes of all issues
of feminism that I do think are rude and obnoxious, BUT they've only got 
themselves to blame as the only picture people get through the net is the
picture one paints of oneself.

-->jcpatilla
-->

   Keep posting ! Your articles get more feeling and message across
than a thousand from a fanatic.



    Dave Peak
NB  @  ihnp4!hotel!dxp

"All the net's a stage and all the men and women merely ham actors !"
- Rev Peak (apologies to Bill S.)