Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2(pesnta.1.2) 9/5/84; site scc.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!mhuxt!houxm!vax135!timeinc!phri!pesnta!scc!steiny From: steiny@scc.UUCP (Don Steiny) Newsgroups: net.abortion Subject: Re: Re: Can we make progress? Message-ID: <550@scc.UUCP> Date: Fri, 13-Sep-85 22:09:36 EDT Article-I.D.: scc.550 Posted: Fri Sep 13 22:09:36 1985 Date-Received: Sun, 15-Sep-85 12:15:00 EDT References: <30381@lanl.ARPA> <265@bcsaic.UUCP> <11440@rochester.UUCP> <426@mhuxr.UUCP> <338@we53.UUCP> Organization: Don Steiny Software Lines: 65 > > Forgive me if I seem to have come from another planet, but I could have > sworn that there was a time when it wasn't considered inevitable that > teenagers would get into bed with each other. Err, in what society. Margret Mead, in "Growing up in Soma" argued that the reason there is so much violence in our society was that it was sexually repressed. There are certainly cultures that are more sexually loose than ours, but are also peaceful. Instead of sounding like you are from another planet, you actually sound provincial. Read some anthropology books, you will be more likely to be less free with statements like ". . there was a time when . . ." The statement begs for an answer to the questions like "for whom?" and "where?" > > My point here is not to argue the legal or even the moral issues of > abortion. The real poverty of spirit that leads to the very idea of > considering abortion is what I want to address. I agree! There is no argument here. That is a statement stated as unconditionally true. You use it as a premise, an axiom, from which to reason. > In partial answer to an > earlier posting, the system of values that would lead to a reduction of > the abortion rate is not hard to find; all you have to do is go back a > few years to when it was lower. [ . . . ] > There were fewer teenage pregnancies then: why? There > was a lower teen suicide rate then: why? Killer bees, there is no question about it. There are far more killer bees in the Americas than there were then. The killer bees have psychic vibrations that influence behavior. > Couldn't have had anything to do > with the fact that do-your-own-thing or if-it-feels-good-do-it weren't > recognized as modern wisdom, could it? No way, look at the statistics. It has to be killer bees (though there is a powerful argument that it is the rodent population in El Centro that is influencing behavior). > Yes, the seeds of that attitude > were sown in the permissive forties and the materialistic fifties, but > before they bore the fruit that we see now, there was a lot less of all > the things that we decry today. I don't decry them! Why should I? If there are many unwanted teenage pregnancies, then the women can have abortions. That way there will not be a bunch of unwanted children and everything will be in balance. > > There is NO other way. > brian There MUST be another way, people get abortions all the time. -- scc!steiny Don Steiny @ Don Steiny Software 109 Torrey Pine Terrace Santa Cruz, Calif. 95060 (408) 425-0382 (also: hplabs!hpda!hpdsqb!steiny) Brought to you by Super Global Mega Corp .com