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From: ray@rochester.UUCP (Ray Frank)
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Subject: Re: Can we make progress?
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Date: Wed, 31-Dec-69 18:59:59 EDT
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> 
> So how do you define "good" and "bad"?  it sounds as though you have decided
> that pre-marital sex is BAD and that's that.  Do you really expect to convince
> people with that kind of non-argumentation?  Capitalising words and putting
> little stars in them does not constitute a proper argument.  I also like your
> "whether they agree or not".  You are basically saying that anybody who
> disagrees with you is wrong.  Who are you, God?  Beware, you are pretty close
> to committing blasphemy there.
> 
> Also, why do you equate experimentation with sex to be "casual sex".  I had sex
> when I was a teenager, and I stayed with my first lover for five years,
> much longer than a lot of marriages last.  I don't see why the fact that I was
> young and unmarried made it "casual".  I've had some casual sex since, as an
> adult.  It's certainly not my preferred way of having it and I'm pretty happy
> being monogamous again, but it was an interesting experience.  I don't think it
> harmed me, but it satisfied a certain curiosity.  Actually, I've been harmed
> by certain relationships, but the sex had nothing to do with it, it was the
> personality of the people involved.
> Ah, but yes, sex is bad, I guess, it must have been the sex.  Sorry I slipped
> there for a moment and dared use my intelligence instead of the authority of a
> complete stranger to analyse my own life.  I guess my parents and friends are
> probably wrong too, to agree with me.  It was the sex!
> 
> >someone who promised to forget my past and give me a new start.  I am most
> 
> 
> Nobody but God knows what THE TRUTH is.  Humans and religions can only guess.
> 
> 
> Again, YOU as a human, cannot know THE truth and I think it is an offence
> against God to pretend you do.
> 
> Sophie Quigley
> {allegra|decvax|ihnp4|linus|watmath}!utzoo!mnetor!sophie

I have to agree with Matt concerning pre-marital sex.  Sophie, you refer to
God in your postings and ask if Matt is playing God.  Matt didn't write the
bible, God did.  It is not the word according to Matt.  You seem to believe in
God, then why don't you believe in His words found in the bible.  There are 
numerous references to God not condoning pre-marital sex and adultrous behav-
iour.  You are typical of many people who would prefer a democratic religion
alowing them to do their own thing rather than what a particular book such
as the bible teaches.  

You seem to be of a mind that any and all sex at any and all ages is just
honkey dory.  If it feels good do it.  You seem not to find any social ills
with the rampant sexual callusness that exists today.  The sexual revolution
has brought us 20,000,000 cases of herpes, an epidemic of gonorrhea and syph-
ilis, AIDS, (1000 new cases a day by the year 1990 according to a professor
at Boston University).  It has also brought us 2,000,000 abortions a year.
In 1955 unwed teens accounted for 4% of the births, today it is 19%, and that
doesn't even take into account those who had abortions.  Not to mention the
intangibles such as heartaches, bitterness, animosity, distrust and so forth
that are packed away in a suitcase and carried along into each relationship
as just so much excess baggage heavily loading one down.

Why is gold precious and and desired by everyone?  Because it is rare and
not had by everyone.  This causes gold to obtain a status of uniqueness
among all other elements.  I believe this value we put on uniqueness is fund-
lemental to human emotions and is seen manifesting itself in our desires
to have unique relationsips both emotionally and physically with another
human being.  It becomes increasingly difficult for many people to
realize this uniqueness when confronted with the fact that what they intend
to share has been shared many many times with many other people and what
they have to offer has already been given in such abundance as to have the
effect of turning gold into lead thus removing it's distinguishing charact-
eristics which made it desirable in the first place.  I don't believe for
a second that lead cannot be turned back into gold through the magic of
love, understanding, and acceptability, but as any chemist will tell you,
this can admittedly be a difficult process and perhaps overwhelming to
those who are unware of the process.

Sex is perhaps the deepest emotional experience we can have unless it becomes
as casual as going to the bathroom.  Prostitutes interviewed by psychologists
have admitted that their feelings toward love and sex has diminished to the
extent that they find it difficult to carry on meaningful relationships
even after they've left the profession.  One said that rather than try
and satisfy her spouse sexually, she would just as soon go to the market
for a head of lettece.  Sex in her case had become meaningless.

philosophically

  ray


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