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From: matt@brl-tgr.ARPA (Matthew Rosenblatt )
Newsgroups: net.abortion
Subject: Re: The Status of the Fetus and Its Rights
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Date: Wed, 18-Sep-85 13:13:44 EDT
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Posted: Wed Sep 18 13:13:44 1985
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>>You've got it! ITS right to live outweighs HER right to kill it.[ROSENBLATT]

> The question is why!  Because you say so.  Because you feel that your breed
> of antifeminism (which you have spouted before) is ipso facto correct. Or do
> you have reasons for saying that a non-autonomous entity using the woman's
> body for metabolic support has more rights to stay inside a woman's body
> against her will than the woman herself has to remove the entity?[R. ROSEN]

I told everyone that abortion is a question of values.  MY values tell me so,
so I say so.  YOUR values tell you that the woman's right to remove the
entity outweighs the entity's right to go on using her body for support.
It goes back to my very first posting:  WHOSE right to control her own body?
Can you PROVE than every person has the right to control his own body?  Or
is it just something you assume as a basic, fundamental right?  

> And these children are not all identical, they are not clones.  
> Every one of them possesses that ``unique genetic entity''
> that you prize, Matt.  And every act of ordinary ``old-style''
> human reproduction, every man's wet-dream, every woman's
> non-impregnated fertility cycle, consigns these real,
> potential human beings to death in their millions.  In an
> environment such as *Brave New World*, these would be real,
> *actual* human beings, any of whose lives develops to become
> as complicated, tangled, and wonderful as our own!  [M. MCNEIL]

> > "Real, potential human beings"?  Make up your mind -- are they real,
> > or only potential?  The whole problem lies in deciding when they
> > become real.  [M. ROSENBLATT]

> Mr. McNeil made up his mind.  Why are you saying that he has not.  He never
> used the phrase "Real, potential human beings" as you misquoted him. [RICH
> ROSEN]

Does Mr. Rosen have information not privy to the rest of us net.abortion
readers that justifies referring to Michael McNeil as "Mr. McNeil"?

						-- Matt Rosenblatt


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