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From: rlr@pyuxd.UUCP (Rich Rosen)
Newsgroups: net.abortion
Subject: Re: The Status of the Fetus and Its Rights
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Date: Sun, 22-Sep-85 19:32:28 EDT
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>>First, there's a big difference between being tied to a machine for
>>a small subset of life functions and being tied to A HUMAN BEING for
>>all life support.  Are the machine's rights in violation because the
>>person is "using" it?  Of course not.  Are the woman's rights in violation
>>if an entity is "using" her without her consent?

> 	Her rights are not in violation if she put the entity there.

She "put"?  How quaint.  Do you anti-choicers ever tire of the "you fucked
around, so suffer" argument?  I have.  It's irrelevant to the issue (you
don't like what she [and apparently someone else?] did, so you feel
that "consequences" should be "suffered") and pointless.  If I write a
program and it has a bug in it and it ravages through everyone's files
and starts destroying them all, am I (and is my installation) obliged to
let it run because "I submitted the job"?  Or can we take steps to stop
the program from completing?  The ball is in your court to show why the
woman doesn't have that same option, and you have continuously (as a group)
failed to do so.

> 	Why is autonomy so important in determining if it is alive?  I have
> never heard this before reading your postings.  And when I use scientific 
> reasoning I come to the conclusion that the fetus is alive.  I would like
> to see some source references to back you up because I have only seen you
> make these claims.

Why is metabolism important in determining whether something is alive?
Or respiration?  Or reproductive capability?  Is this the Brave New World
in which if you don't like the definition of something you just change
it around?  Read up on viruses, my friend, and find out how they are
distinguished from living things.
-- 
"There!  I've run rings 'round you logically!"
"Oh, intercourse the penguin!"			Rich Rosen    ihnp4!pyuxd!rlr


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