Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site brl-tgr.ARPA Path: utzoo!linus!philabs!cmcl2!seismo!brl-tgr!matt From: matt@brl-tgr.ARPA (Matthew Rosenblatt ) Newsgroups: net.abortion Subject: Re: The Status of the Fetus and Its Rights Message-ID: <1651@brl-tgr.ARPA> Date: Mon, 23-Sep-85 09:50:40 EDT Article-I.D.: brl-tgr.1651 Posted: Mon Sep 23 09:50:40 1985 Date-Received: Wed, 25-Sep-85 10:53:25 EDT References: <429@cmu-cs-spice.ARPA> <1546@pyuxd.UUCP> Organization: Ballistic Research Lab Lines: 37 > There is one point that I think requires amplification. The extreme > pro-life position of Matt Rosenblatt et. al. says that from the moment > of conception the embryo deserves full legal status as a human being. > A logical consequence of this position is that a woman who uses an > I. U. D. or a morning after pill is guilty of premeditated murder. > The penalty for premeditated murder is life imprisonment or death. > [BILL TANENBAUM] A while ago, I took issue with Ken Arndt (who generally speaks the straight truth about abortion -- where are you, Ken?) over his use of the technical legal term "murder" to describe abortion. Our legal system has come a long way from the Old English common law under which every killing was murder. All victims are NOT equal; all circumstances are NOT equal, and the people, through their elected representatives in all 50 states, have the right to define murder and other crimes as they see fit, subject only to the limits imposed by the U.S. Constitution and their State constitutions. Abortion was never defined as "murder" -- it was a separate crime with its own penalties. If I were a legislator considering a bill outlawing abortions, I would want to vary the penalty, depending on whether the woman knows she is pregnant at the time she kills her embryo/fetus, and depending on whether it is the woman herself who attempts abortion (women were almost never prosecuted under the old anti-abortion laws), or a professional abortionist. Precedent? Sure: One of the aggravating circumstances in the presence of which the U.S. Supreme Court allows the States to impose the death penalty is "murder for hire," the case of the professional "hit man." **NB: MATT ROSENBLATT IS OPPOSED TO THE DEATH PENALTY FOR ANY CRIME, EVEN BY HIT MEN! DON'T ANYONE MISQUOTE THE PREVIOUS SENTENCE TO SAY THAT MATT ROSENBLATT ADVOCATES THE DEATH PENALTY FOR OPERATORS OF ABORTION CLINICS OR THEIR STAFF! ** I believe that the user of an IUD or morning-after pill would lack the "specific intent" (another technical legal term) required to make out a case of murder. -- Matt Rosenblatt Brought to you by Super Global Mega Corp .com