Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/5/84; site mordor.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!ucbvax!ucdavis!lll-crg!mordor!sjc From: sjc@mordor.UUCP (Steve Correll) Newsgroups: net.audio Subject: Re: nut.audio: The \"ear\" vs. \"the instrument\" Message-ID: <3785@mordor.UUCP> Date: Fri, 4-Oct-85 14:05:53 EDT Article-I.D.: mordor.3785 Posted: Fri Oct 4 14:05:53 1985 Date-Received: Sat, 5-Oct-85 14:55:45 EDT References: <625@decwrl.UUCP> Organization: S-1 Project, LLNL Lines: 33 > Those CD cables probably just have a rolled off high-end. Perhaps one > or both cables has frequency dependant phase delay to compensate for a > single DAC machine, but I doubt it. Using a single DAC in a CD player does not introduce frequency-dependent phase distortion ("group delay distortion"). When one channel advances to the next sample 1/(2*44100) second later than the other, the delay is constant and independent of the frequency which the samples are representing. Imagine (I fear people are getting tired of reading this) that you are using a two-DAC CD player but you are sitting 1/3 inch closer to one speaker than to the other. The sound from the farther speaker will, due to the finite propogation speed of sound in air, be delayed exactly the same amount as if the player were using only one DAC. This delay is independent of frequency. If a 20kHZ sinusoid and a 20Hz sinusoid cross the zero axis at the same instant, and you delay each of them by 1/(2*44100) second, they will still cross the zero axis together. An unscrupulous audio manufacturer can make this appear detrimental by expressing the delay in degrees rather than seconds, since one degree of a 20kHz sinusoid is shorter than one degree of a 20Hz sinusoid, but that's like comparing feet and meters. If a CD player did somehow manage to delay both tones by exactly the same number of degrees, then it would be introducing frequency-dependent delay with a vengeance! The phase distortions which *do* occur in the CD process result from filters which delay some frequencies more (when measured in seconds) than others, causing our 20kHz and 20Hz sinusoids no longer to cross the zero axis together. -- --Steve Correll sjc@s1-c.ARPA, ...!decvax!decwrl!mordor!sjc, or ...!ucbvax!dual!mordor!sjc Brought to you by Super Global Mega Corp .com