Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: Notesfiles; site hpcnof.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!cbosgd!ihnp4!houxm!vax135!cornell!uw-beaver!tektronix!hplabs!hpfcdc!hpfcla!hpcnof!dat From: dat@hpcnof.UUCP Newsgroups: net.books Subject: Re: Ayn Rand Who is John Galt? Message-ID: <42200003@hpcnof.UUCP> Date: Thu, 19-Sep-85 18:09:00 EDT Article-I.D.: hpcnof.42200003 Posted: Thu Sep 19 18:09:00 1985 Date-Received: Thu, 26-Sep-85 08:18:09 EDT References: <598@mtuxt.UUCP> Organization: 19 Sep 85 16:09:00 MDT Lines: 44 I've recently read a couple of Ayn Rand books ("Anthem" and "Atlas Shrugged") and found her philosophies most intriguing. Intriguing, however, doesn't mean that I agree with her! The greatest disagreement that I have is that man is by virtue of being 'civilized' a creature that lives in groups, and quests the approval and affection of the group. The people in Rands' books, on the other hand, were never so succesful as when they were deliberately turning their backs on society and being selfish. This, of course, is part of the Rand creed - the "holy trinity" of self, self and self. While I agree that one shouldn't be selfless, I don't think people should be as overly selfish as she suggests. More than that, though, I feel that Ayn Rand was too simplistic in her books - they're filled with cardboard characters and one or two "movers" that suffer from what I call the 'superhero syndrome' (this is also common in spy books and science fiction, alas!). Take the book "Atlas Shrugged" for example: The guy who owned the steel mill was a 'self-made millionaire' and was very involved in his work. The people who lived with him were all leeches and gave him guilt trips for being what they'd have inevitably called a "workaholic". He was. He was also an arrogant SOB superhero surrounded by a bunch of sniveling cardboard characters! ARGH! I could go on, but not having either of the books with me, I'll defer the conversation. As an idle thought, perhaps we could continue this discussion via mail? This isn't really that much to do with books per se, but more with the philosophy of Ayn Rand and such... From the wizened fingers of, -- Dave Taylor ..ihnp4!hpfcla!d_taylor ..hplabs!hpcnof!dat or: hpcnof!dat@HPLABS.CSNET-RELAY Brought to you by Super Global Mega Corp .com