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From: rlr@pyuxd.UUCP (Rich Rosen)
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Subject: Re: Stick it in yer ear.
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Date: Sun, 22-Sep-85 18:14:37 EDT
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>      Some of you more recent readers of the various nets may be wondering
> why Oded Feingold et alia are all over my case.  It's obvious from some of 
> my submissions that I have no use for the Israeli UN Protectorate, and 
> that I have all but declared war on the ADL/JDL and their minions.  It
> should also be obvious that there is bad blood between me and the 
> International One-World-Government Communist conspiracy.  And I also
> believe in America First--Without Apology.  These four things are usually
> enough to send 5,781,000 "Americans" into catatonic fits.  (I shouldn't
> generalize like that.  There are exceptions.)  [WHO DO YOU THINK??]

Yes, we all met yesterday in Boston at the yearly convention of the CJFOTOW
(Commie Jew Faggots Out to Take Over the World), and agreed on a plan of
action.  Yes, you are on our bad side and we are going to do horrible things
to you involving bondage and torture because we know you're into those
things.  Just when you're getting excited about the fact that you now have
"proof" that people are out to get you and cause you harm, just as your
brain is about to explode into cerebral orgasm, we will stop.  Now that
would be real torture.  But you can always write an article about it all
in the Spotlight.  After all, it's obvious from your excerpts that they'll
print anything.  Even the things you have to say.

>      The underlieing reason why Oded et alia want my head is because of my
> religious beliefs.  I happen to believe in Christian Identity.  Pure and 
> simple.  

I may not find much worthwhile in religious beliefs in general.  But it's
ironic that even the real Christians out there have laid waste to any
contention you make that your beliefs are based on Christianity.  You have
misquoted the Bible, changed the text around to support your erroneous
contentions.  (For those who missed them, Don claims that the Jews were
not the chosen people of God, that Christian Americans were, that somehow
all the descendants of some tribe or other (was it the descendants of Easu,
or the Ten Lost Tribes, Don?---I know your story changes from week to week)
became the American Christians of today.  Isn't that amazing?  The descendents
of this "tribe" all split up and intermingled in the various European
nations, and then ONLY the chosen ones were the ones who came to America
to be God's chosen Aryan race!  Makes sense, doesn't it?  The fact that this
makes sense to Don shows what a buffoon (or liar, or both) he really is.

>      Understand that there is no way that Judaism can tolerate Identity.  The
> two cannot coexist, nor can Identity be allowed to exist at all.  Identity 
> says that Christians are God's Chosen People of the Old Testament, the 
> direct descendants of the Old Testament Israelites.  Identity believes that
> the covenants given to the Scriptural Israelites by God are still in full
> force and effect, and that we are bound to obey them.  We also believe that
> the United States and Canada are the Promised Land of prophesy.

Thanks for proving the point I made above about the ridiculousness of your
theories right here in print for all to see.

>      Most of us belong to mainstream denominations, such as Roman
> Catholic, Baptist, Lutheran, etc.  We just go to church on Sunday and
> blend in with the rest of the Alka-seltzer Christians  (you know---they
> go to church and fizz for an hour.  Then they forget what they heard for
> another week).  There are a few off-the-wall extremists, who are shunned
> by us moderates.

Ah, satire.  I knew you were Ken Arndt in disguise all along.  Why is it
that Ken Arndt is always so quiet when Black begins to speak up.  Perhaps
the DEC employee who uses the Arndt and Black "identities" (whoever it is)
can't handle two ridiculous points of view at once.  You gave yourself away
with the "us moderates" bit.  You've admitted in the past that your position
is not moderate, so obviously your use of this term is simply to rouse
anger among concerned people.  Cute.  (You can now respond by saying something
equally cute about my mistaken notion that you are just a crank.)

>      Now, some of you may say that this concept is neo-Nazi, racist, anti-
> semetic, etc. ad nauseam.  Well, let's debunk that rumor.  A Nazi is first
> and formost a Socialist, more of a Communist than anything else.  (Notice 
> that all my detractors had to give up calling me a Nazi.  They knew that 
> they were so full of s___ that their eyes were brown.)

The Nazis use the NAME "socialist" (just as Falwell uses the name "Moral"),
but the Nazis were violently anti-communist and anti-socialist.  You are
a Nazi, or a geek pretending to be one.  Simple as that.

> The term "anti-semite" is a term the Jews love to use.

Especially for people like you who make stupid statements about Jews rooted
in ignorance.

> Ahhh, so Identity MUST be racist.  It's the only thing left.  Well, yeah,
> OK.  Maybe.  Tell me, if Christians claiming to be the Chosen People are 
> racists, then howcome Jews who make the same claim are not?  Howcome
> only one little group of 13.5 million are authorized the claim, and
> groups of a billion Christians and a billion Moslems are not allowed
> to dispute it?

Last time I heard Jews were not arming to take over a country because they
felt they were "chosen".  You can continue to make the stupid excuse that
you and your kind are arming to defend yourself against others.  First,
that you are arming and engaging in paramilitary training destroys any
claim you have to being rooted in Christianity as Christians know it.
Second, you might like to think that people are out to get you (it seems
to be the only ego boost you get, believing that), but it is the rest of
us who must defend ourselves against the repulsive likes of you.

>      Is White Christianity the "master race?"  Hell, no!  The other peoples 
> of the Earth go back millions of years before the creation of Adam.  They
> were here first, and they were given their own lands.  It is not up to
> Israel or Esau to take those lands.  (Isreal and Esau, as used here, are
> the two sons of Isaac and their descendants.)  Besides, Christ tells us
> that there is salvation for all flesh that believes in Him.  So who are
> we to say that one race is better than another?

And yet, you've contradicted this many times in your own postings.  The
way you flip-flop so often tells me how full of shit you really are.

> Various historical evidence, including ancient legends, trace the Israelites
> into the British Isles ("Br'th" and "Ish"---"Men of the Covenant")

Amazing that you have a knowledge of the language of the Jews:  Hebrew.
That the plural of "man" in Hebrew differs significantly from the word "ish"
and that you impose Hebrew words onto Anglo-Saxon/English words (English
being, of course, THE language of god) shows how stupid your ideas are.

> The most obvious marks of the true Israelites is that they would be completely
> blind as to who they were, that they would speak with stammering tongues
> (the most difficult language on Earth is English),

Judging from your understanding of it, I can see why you might think that.
But that's obviously your subjective opinion which must be called a "fact"
in order to reach your silly conclusion.

> All other scriptural prophesy will apply only to the true Israel.

As always, Black never has a Bible handy to show these references he dreams up.

>      Somebody on the net tried to start a discussion recently about "what if
> the US really were a Christian Nation?"  Originally, it was.

Originally it was founded by Deists, and the laws were clearly designed to
ensure freedom of religion and to ensure that there would never be a state
religion.

>      So let Feingold and Rosen and Dimitrovsky and the rest call me all the 
> names they want.  They have no other choice but to do so.  

We have lots of choices.  We could ignore you, as many have suggested.
If we are seeking truth, if we are out to preserve human freedom, we do have
no choice but to show you and your opinions for what you and they are.  Whether
you are serious about this or just a sick crank in need of attention, in need
of a belief that people are persecuting you because it would be the only
attention you would get.
-- 
"I was walking down the street.  A man came up to me and asked me what was the
 capital of Bolivia.  I hesitated.  Three sailors jumped me.  The next thing I
 knew I was making chicken salad."
"I don't believe that for a minute.  Everyone knows the capital of Bolivia is
 La Paz."				Rich Rosen    pyuxd!rlr


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