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From: js2j@mhuxt.UUCP (sonntag)
Newsgroups: net.flame
Subject: Re: HOW TO DEAL WITH A JERK
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Date: Thu, 26-Sep-85 12:50:15 EDT
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Posted: Thu Sep 26 12:50:15 1985
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> In article <238@pyuxii.UUCP> tw8023@pyuxii.UUCP (T Wheeler) writes:
> >Miss Sefton- This is a flame.  I see that your philosophy of
> >life is to GET RID OF anyone who disagrees with your view.
> >If you think that getting Mr. Black fired is a way to stop
> >dissent with your views, them you are a low life scumbag.
> >I have occasionally seen such remarks on this net, but
> >you take the grand prize for being an Ass.  If you  disagree
> >with someones view, ignore them.
> 
> I see T.C. is a great believer in taking his own advice. See how well he
> ignored Laurie because she didn't agree with his viewpoint? Laurie, at
> least, was able to keep from using crude words in trying to get her point
> across, too.

     T.C., at least, was able to keep from suggesting that we all get together
to try and have Laurie fired.
> 
> I find it really amazing that the net can sit by and let someone like Don
> Black spout fascist racism, and come down hard on anyone who disagrees with
> it. 

     Plenty of people have publicly disagreed with Black, including myself,
without being 'come down hard on'.  Laurie was the only one who suggested
that we try and get someone one the net fired because we find their personal
and political philosophies vile and disgusting.  And she is the only one of
the people who've disagreed with Black who have been 'come down on'.  Your
accusations fall flat in the face of the facts, Chuq.  Some of us who have
been very vocal in disagreeing with Black are the same people who find Lauri's
suggestion heinous.

> That is an amazing double standard. If Black can say what he likes,
> then everyone else (including laurie) should be given the same right, even
> if it happens to disagree with your own pet theories.

     She *does* have the same right.  We also have the right to disagree with
her.  Not without being called Nazi sympathizers by Chuq, I guess:

> Or are all those
> wonderful people supporting Black's right to be an idiot simply using free
> speech as a quiet way of supporting the words and the meanings?
> :From the shores of Avalon:     Chuq Von Rospach 

      I guess we can assume from your passionate (and intensely insulting)
defense of Lauri that you agree with her.  You think that attempting to
have someone whose views you find disagreeable fired is a right and legitimate
way to act.  What about me?  I've been disagreeing with you.  Going to call
AT&T and try to get me fired?  What about all of those ACLU people who
helped the Nazis be allowed to march - they must be secret sympathizers too -
better see if you can get them fired.
	I'm too disgusted to go on.  I've quickly come to expect stupidity 
from the likes of Black, but up until now, Chuq has always sounded reasonable.
-- 
Jeff Sonntag
ihnp4!mhuxt!js2j
    Silly quote: "There are a few off-the-wall extremists, who are shunned
                  by us moderates." - Don Black


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