Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site proper.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!cbosgd!ihnp4!qantel!proper!elric From: elric@proper.UUCP (elric) Newsgroups: net.kids,net.legal,net.politics Subject: Re: corporal punishment in schools Message-ID: <304@proper.UUCP> Date: Wed, 18-Sep-85 23:18:10 EDT Article-I.D.: proper.304 Posted: Wed Sep 18 23:18:10 1985 Date-Received: Fri, 20-Sep-85 05:25:58 EDT References: <2149T3B@psuvm> <658@rduxb.UUCP> <1214@teddy.UUCP> <> Reply-To: elric@proper.UUCP (Elric of Imrryr) Organization: Lunatic Laboratories Unltd. Lines: 26 Xref: watmath net.kids:2057 net.legal:2362 net.politics:11072 In article <> fsks@unc.UUCP (Frank Silbermann) writes: >> Discipline based on fear is worse than no discipline at all. > >How did you arrive at this conclusion? School children have been >disciplined with fear for generations. It didn't do much for their >creativity, but they did learn the basic skills. With no discipline, >students learn nothing at all. > > Frank Silbermann The main problem with discipline by fear is that once a child is removed from such an atomosphere and he has nothing to fear he will see no reason to follow the rules. I spent 4 years in a catholic school which used corporal punishment (for everything from not having having a perfectly made bed, to singing off key in music class). Once I got into a high school which did not use corporal punishment I just goofed off. In this country police can not legally beat a criminal unless the crook is trying to beat them. The crimes of kids in school rarely wrose then that of a real crimenal. Fear is a double edged sword, you can only push someone so far, before he strikes back. Elric of Imrryr Disclamer-- The above veiws are of no concern to Lunatic Labs Brought to you by Super Global Mega Corp .com