Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.3 4.3bsd-beta 6/6/85; site ucbvax.ARPA Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!ucbvax!jordan From: jordan@ucbvax.ARPA (Jordan Hayes) Newsgroups: net.mail Subject: Re: The TRUTH about .UUCP Message-ID: <10476@ucbvax.ARPA> Date: Fri, 27-Sep-85 01:35:28 EDT Article-I.D.: ucbvax.10476 Posted: Fri Sep 27 01:35:28 1985 Date-Received: Sat, 28-Sep-85 07:35:25 EDT References: <593@down.FUN> Reply-To: jordan@ucbvax.UUCP (Jordan Hayes) Distribution: net Organization: University of California at Berkeley Lines: 102 Keywords: fnord Summary: (see "Subject:" line) Once again in article <593@down.FUN> honey@down.FUN (Peter Honeyman) writes: >you may recall my three questions for those who believe in .UUCP: > > 1) bilbo.UUCP? (there are three.) > 2) cbosgd.ATT.UUCP? (what makes .ATT special?) > 3) .IL.USA.UUCP? (who runs it?) > >jordan misses the point by a wide mark. for (1), he turns the question >around ("you tell us!"). ok, jordan, to make it perfectly clear, i >can't do anything with bilbo.UUCP. on the other hand, princeton!bilbo, >u-mt!bilbo, or wiretap!bilbo yield useful routes. Ok, honey (since you don't capitalize my name, I'll assume that you are refering to me by my login name, and I'll extend the courtesy), you sure can't do anything with bilbo.UUCP, since there are more than one bilbo's. There would never exist a "bilbo.UUCP" since the "second-level" domains are not for machines, but rather are for administrative sub-domains that can expect a fair amount of growth both initially and in the future. The "three bilbos" problem reduces to placing them appropriately into the namespace. You keep wanting to talk about ROUTES. Jeeze. I guess I can't argue with you when you won't listen to what I'm saying. Of course there is an inherent problem with having 3 "bilbo.UUCP"s, but domaining them fixes that. Why is this so hard to see? The answer to (2) is clear -- cbosgd.ATT.UUCP is "special" because the number of ATT affiliated uucp sites is staggering, and warrants a domain. Hmmm... it seems I'm repeatd key equivalents; this is probably the most standard way to do this, and it provides the simplicity that novices need and the shortcut that experienced users want. Another possibility is to use Forward/Backward buttons somewhere in the window. Finally, a method I have seen in some software (although I don't fully approve of it) is to make use of the horizontal scroll bar when real horizontal scrolling doesn't apply in the current context; the standard Scrapbook DA does this, although I would much prefer real scrolling, or at least the ability to resize its window (I seem to be digressing). -- Barry Margolin ARPA: barmar@MIT-Multics UUCP: ..!genrad!mit-eddie!barmar #! rnews 2204 Relay-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site burl.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.3 4.3bsd-beta 6/6/85; site ucbvax.ARPA Path: burl!ulysses!ucbvax!techunix.BITNET!ephraim From: ephraim@TECHUNIX.BITNET (Ephraim Silverberg) Newsgroups: net.religion.jewish Subject: Re: Does PEPSI discriminate Message-ID: <8509270744.any other takers out there? here's an easy one for jordan: once you >have replaced uucp addressing with domains, what will your delivery >agent do with honey@princeton.UUCP? uux is out, since it wants >something!princeton!honey. what's the trick? Hmmm. What makes you think that princeton will get a second-level domain? As far as I can see, I would be willing to make FUN a sub-domain of ATL.UUCP, but I don't see the need for princeton.UUCP... Now, as to what to do about it -- well, glad you asked. You see, it still depends on where you are, and who you have links to -- the only difference is that you remove the question of "what to do with ..." from the addressing, and place it in the hands of system administrators (in an abstract sort of way) and the software. So, what would *I* do with it? Well, on ucbvax, for instance, the software would see down.fun.atl.uucp ... scanning from the left it would see if it "knew" of a link to send "down.fun.atl.uucp" stuff to, and would not find one (since ucbvax does not talk to down), and move on to "fun.atl.uucp" and fail again. Then, it would check "atl.uucp" and (in the smart world) would HAVE to match *something*, in ucbvax's case it would most likely (here's where the sys admin part comes in) be allegra. See, if I were running ucbvax, I would try to make arrangements for all atl.uucp stuff to go to allegra (of course if there were a foo.atl.uucp that I had a link to, it's stuff would go directly to foo...), and allegra would do the same thing over and pass it on to princeton, which would give it to down ... hmmm... come to think of it, that's the same route that pathalias would have given me, only it didn't have to be explicit, and I can use the address honey@down.fun.atl.uucp from anywhere, such as a machine I run called "nike" that has a link to seismo that my .atl.uucp stuff would go to... See, it's not all that hard. uux could be fixed (or not, as the case may be -- there are still single host names that you have as links, so I would still send uux the line uux allegra!/usr/lib/uucp/dmail honey@down.fun.atl.uucp ... or some such ... details left as an exercise, but you get the idea. So, honey, what *else* do you want to rag about ...? ------------ Jordan Hayes jordan@UCB-VAX.BERKELEY.EDU UC Berkeley ucbvax!jordan +1 (415) 835-8767 37' 52.29" N 122' 15.41" W Brought to you by Super Global Mega Corp .com