Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.3 4.3bsd-beta 6/6/85; site ucbvax.ARPA Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!mhuxt!houxm!ihnp4!ucbvax!jordan From: jordan@ucbvax.ARPA (Jordan Hayes) Newsgroups: net.mail Subject: Re: The TRUTH about .UUCP Message-ID: <10490@ucbvax.ARPA> Date: Sun, 29-Sep-85 13:20:44 EDT Article-I.D.: ucbvax.10490 Posted: Sun Sep 29 13:20:44 1985 Date-Received: Mon, 30-Sep-85 02:38:37 EDT References: <593@down.FUN> <10476@ucbvax.ARPA> <12317@Glacier.ARPA> Reply-To: jordan@ucbvax.UUCP (Jordan Hayes) Distribution: net Organization: University of California at Berkeley Lines: 36 Summary: Reid is wrong [ munch ] In article <12317@Glacier.ARPA> reid@Glacier.ARPA (Brian Reid) writes: >Honeyman is right. Most of his detractors are wrong. Most of them >completely miss the point. Luckily it doesn't matter because none of this >will ever work anyhow. Sorry, I don't agree. Correct me if I'm wrong, but here is "THE POINT" that most of us "detractors" are missing. 1) Addresses should be global. Relative addressing leads to ambiguity and headache. 2) The current bang addressing scheme is old and has outlived its usefulness. 3) If something is not done, the structure of UUCP as we know it will fail to make the transition back into a useful network -- it used to be useful when it was smaller, but now it is bigger, and has undergone growing pains that have made magic (and moby expensive) techniques such as pathalias and 1Mb of map data the only way to make any sense of the topology of the net. One big, hacky workaround. Honeyman and his troops (yes, this now includes you, Mr. Reid) are too far into the problem to see that what needs to happen is to take a step back and see the *real* problems and respond with real solutions, instead of adding more kludges and declaring that "it will never work". "Lead, follow, or get the hell out of my way" ------------ Jordan Hayes jordan@UCB-VAX.BERKELEY.EDU UC Berkeley ucbvax!jordan +1 (415) 835-8767 37' 52.29" N 122' 15.41" W Brought to you by Super Global Mega Corp .com