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From: jpl@allegra.UUCP (John P. Linderman)
Newsgroups: net.mail
Subject: Re: The TRUTH about .UUCP
Message-ID: <5202@allegra.UUCP>
Date: Thu, 3-Oct-85 10:18:02 EDT
Article-I.D.: allegra.5202
Posted: Thu Oct  3 10:18:02 1985
Date-Received: Fri, 4-Oct-85 05:02:23 EDT
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>From princeton!down!honey Wed Oct  2 23:58:44 1985
>i don't know if you read net.mail, but ...
>
>>    See, if I were running ucbvax, I would try to make arrangements for
>>    all atl.uucp stuff to go to allegra (of course if there were a
>>    foo.atl.uucp that I had a link to, it's stuff would go directly to
>>    foo...), and allegra would do the same thing over and pass it on to
>>    princeton, which would give it to down
>>    ...
>>
>>    Jordan Hayes        jordan@UCB-VAX.BERKELEY.EDU
>
>perhaps this guy would care to know how allegra-land feels about his
>plan to give allegra official status as the uucp route server for
>the atlantic states.
>
>	peter

No, I don't read net.mail, but I'm always interested in other people's
plans for allegra.  My position in the bangists/attists debate is this...
a plague on both your houses.  Both sides are quite willing to use allegra
[or some other intermediary] to move the mail, but nobody has offered to
send me a check to pay for the service.  I hate to trouble the
philosophers out there with mundane issues, but communication costs
MONEY.  Unfortunately, the costs are not usually borne by those who reap
the benefits.  To take a simple case, when jordan sends mail to peter via
allegra, allegra picks up the mail when polling ucbvax (which lacks
dialout capability) and then calls princeton, which we call on demand.
Allegra pays for two long distance calls, and hayes and honeyman get the
benefits (if any).

Allegra has to accept a good share of the blame for tolerating this kind
of nonsense.  It isn't difficult to stop it, as the growing number of
sites that simply refuse to forward mail have found out.  But the net will
crumble if the policy is universally adopted.  Maybe that's not so bad,
but I'd like to give the net a little more time to figure out not only how
to address mail, but how to pay for it.

John P. Linderman  allegra["Don't call us, we'll call you"]!jpl


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