Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site bbncc5.UUCP Path: utzoo!decvax!linus!philabs!cmcl2!harvard!bbnccv!bbncc5!sdyer From: sdyer@bbncc5.UUCP (Steve Dyer) Newsgroups: net.med Subject: Purging Stoll and his kind Message-ID: <272@bbncc5.UUCP> Date: Tue, 17-Sep-85 01:43:04 EDT Article-I.D.: bbncc5.272 Posted: Tue Sep 17 01:43:04 1985 Date-Received: Thu, 19-Sep-85 19:29:15 EDT References: <2172@ukma.UUCP> <813@mcnc.mcnc.UUCP> Distribution: na Organization: Bolt Beranek and Newman, Cambridge, MA Lines: 39 Keywords: (or giving net.med a high colonic) Welcome to the club, Byron. I have stopped responding to Stoll's articles. I initially felt that it was important to address the inaccuracies which he passes off as revealed truth, in the hope that the less knowledgeable would have a better chance of making an informed judgement of his postings. Now, it seems, that, like all true fanatics, he has more stamina than sense, and will continue with his combinations of misquotations, self-serving invective against the orthodox medical profession, and the stubborn refusal to respond to criticism of his more outlandish notions, until we are all totally exhausted and disgusted. There is no true interchange here. In this regard, he is in heady company along with the Velikovskians and the "scientific creationists" in net.origins. It is worth asking ourselves whether we really want 'net.med' to take on this flavor. I suspect not. What is the right way to deal with these problems? Obviously, not by "banning" anyone: it can't be done, and it's undesirable. But, these kind of people thrive on attention: their entire stance is contra-orthodoxy, and without the right kind of feedback (meaning any whatsoever), I'm now convinced that their contributions will simply fall with a hollow thud. Certainly we should point out factual errors when we see them so that people are not misled, but I suspect that a gentle correction followed by nothing other than a change of topic will suffice to avoid these religious wars. In other words, I'm proposing a bit of restraint when responding to fanatical types, letting them have their due say, without pushing their own buttons, ekeing them on to even more lows of megalomania. I suspect that most readers of net.med by now have their BS detectors turned on high sensitivity, and they don't need our help. This doesn't mean that we need to avoid certain topics: issues like Chinese Medicine can be fascinating and enlightening, as long as one skirts the realm of fanaticism. I would go further, setting as one of the ground rules a certain respect for logic and scientific materialism. Again, this is no less than anyone expects from the people who design our cars and airplanes (or computers, for that matter.) It is truly amazing to me that where one's health is concerned, people will gladly accept theories with no more proof than "I said so" or "so and so said so." -- /Steve Dyer {harvard,seismo}!bbnccv!bbncc5!sdyer sdyer@bbncc5.ARPA Brought to you by Super Global Mega Corp .com