Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site brl-tgr.ARPA Path: utzoo!linus!philabs!cmcl2!seismo!brl-tgr!tgr!Andreas.Nowatzyk@K.CS.CMU.EDU From: Andreas.Nowatzyk@K.CS.CMU.EDU Newsgroups: net.micro Subject: Re: NEC V20 ---> 8088 (actually CMOS) Message-ID: <1635@brl-tgr.ARPA> Date: Sat, 21-Sep-85 17:30:29 EDT Article-I.D.: brl-tgr.1635 Posted: Sat Sep 21 17:30:29 1985 Date-Received: Wed, 25-Sep-85 07:39:24 EDT Sender: news@brl-tgr.ARPA Lines: 29 Sorry to say that, but I think you should do some research on the physics involwed here. a) Trilogy failed badly when they attempted Wafer Scale Integration (WSI). They were putting a mere 60K gates on a wafer (in ECL bipolar) and it dissapates 1000W (that's right one Kilowatt!). Their gates wre only marginally faster than current CMOS gates (0.7 ns is not uncommon). In addition, CMOS has much nicer driving properties when it comes to long wires on the chip, has a better noise margin etc. As a data point: ETA uses 20K gate CMOS arrays, 2 of them form a ALU that outperforms the one used in Cyber's 205 supercomputer. b) Companies are not pushing CMOS because it is fashionable, but because it is the only promissing way to achive high logic desities *and* high speeds. This is obvious if you look at the scaling properties of various tecnology. BTW: The GF10 outperforms a Cray any time. You shouldn't not fool yourself with memories of RCA's CA4000 series: that is history. One last point: Static sensitivity - guess which technolgy is more prone to fail due to static electricity? Properly protected CMOS or high desnsity ECL? The answer is not obvious. Remember that the VAX 8600 had servere problems here (a bipolar ECL machine). The assembly line is now a strict anti-static environement and every cabinet comes with built in grounding clips for the field service! Cheers -- Andreas Brought to you by Super Global Mega Corp .com