Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site greipa.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!cbosgd!ihnp4!pesnta!greipa!paul From: paul@greipa.UUCP (Paul A. Vixie) Newsgroups: net.news.group,net.sources,net.micro,net.decus,net.wanted Subject: Why net.decus won't work Message-ID: <398@greipa.UUCP> Date: Tue, 24-Sep-85 12:58:38 EDT Article-I.D.: greipa.398 Posted: Tue Sep 24 12:58:38 1985 Date-Received: Thu, 26-Sep-85 07:33:48 EDT References: <220@stl.UUCP> <196@graffiti.UUCP> Reply-To: paul@greipa.UUCP (Paul A. Vixie) Followup-To: net.decus Organization: Genstar Rental Electronics, Palo Alto, Ca. Lines: 40 Xref: watmath net.news.group:3835 net.sources:3515 net.micro:12088 net.decus:182 net.wanted:7229 Summary: DECUS != VMS In article <196@graffiti.UUCP> peter@graffiti.UUCP (Peter da Silva) writes: >Why not just go on using net.decus? I mean, apart from micros we don't >even have 1 vendor-specific group, let alone 2! The volume of VMS articles >on net.decus is small, and it's amusing watching vms types try to do >elementary unixoid things. It is sort of amusing, unless the place you work for only has VMS machines. Then "doing elementary unixoid things" becomes a desperate struggle that you fight every time you go to work... Anyway, you raise a good point: net.decus is a group dedicated to DEC users; why not use it? Well: DECUS = Digital Equipment Corporation User's Society. This group (net.decus) seems oriented more toward DECUS members and their activities (large symposiums several times a year, mostly). It is an unlikely place to find technical information, and even if it were: VMS is not the only operating system DEC supports. Even for the VAX there's VaxELAN; for the PDP-11 there are at least 10 different OS flavors. A better substitute for net.vms would be fa.info-vax. This is an ARPA mailing list gatewayed both ways onto Usenet. There are occasional postings from Usenet people, but posting involves sending mail to info-vax@ucbvax, which sometimes comes back with 99 lines of error messages. Make that "usually comes back..." And besides, info-vax isn't really VMS specific either. Perhaps we need a setup like net.micro.*: net.????.{dg,dec,hp,...}. Or maybe a net.os.{aos,vms,rsts,mpe,...}. You can argue that Usenet is for Unix people, but that won't explain the popularity of net.micro.mac... What net.vms seems targeted for is a Usenet version of fa.info-vax. I (and others) hope that someone will still gateway between net.vms and INFO-VAX; this would just make posting much easier and more reliable for Usenet people. As I've already stated, I vote "YES" for net.vms......... -- Paul Vixie {decwrl dual pyramid}!greipa!paul Brought to you by Super Global Mega Corp .com