Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.3 4.3bsd-beta 6/6/85; site ptsfa.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!philabs!cmcl2!seismo!lll-crg!well!ptsfa!rob From: rob@ptsfa.UUCP (Rob Bernardo) Newsgroups: net.motss Subject: Re: banning pornography Message-ID: <885@ptsfa.UUCP> Date: Fri, 20-Sep-85 22:25:48 EDT Article-I.D.: ptsfa.885 Posted: Fri Sep 20 22:25:48 1985 Date-Received: Wed, 25-Sep-85 05:39:02 EDT References: <70@ucdavis.UUCP> <870@utcs.uucp> Reply-To: rob@ptsfa.UUCP (Rob Bernardo) Distribution: net Organization: Pacific Bell, San Francisco Lines: 35 In article <870@utcs.uucp> flaps@utcs.UUCP (Alan J Rosenthal) writes: >Do you think that there should be censorship of neo-nazi propaganda? Anti-gay >propaganda? >Pornography is anti-woman propaganda. I don't believe in government-controlled It is not obvious to me how pornography is anti-woman. After all, some pornography has only male-male sex depicted. It's certainly less anti-woman that a tv show or commercial that depicts woman as housewives. It seems to me that the discussion of whether pornography is anti-female avoids an important distinction between a medium and its contents. "Pornography" refers to both. It refers to a medium (pictures, writing) and to content (sex with the intent to arouse). I think those who argue agin' porn need to demonstrate how the content is anti-female. It's just not obvious to a whole bunch of us. And Alan, you are using propoganda above in a metaphoric sense; that just reduces the discussion to the emotional rather than to the substantial. >Pornography is anti-woman propaganda. I don't believe in government-controlled >censorship but I do believe in people-controlled censorship. I think that >the people must do what they can to prevent the distribution of pornography, >nazi literature, and so on. More important than the right to free speech is Could you specify what you mean by people-controlled censorship? Does it involve private citizens interfering with legally guaranteed rights? Does it involve some other sort of illegal activity? Or just something legal like boycotting porn stores? >nazi literature, and so on. More important than the right to free speech is >the right to any kind of meaningful life at all, the right not to have people >preaching hatred of you. More important to whom? Certainly not to the person whose free speech is being denied. I never heard of this "right not to have people preaching hatred of you". Is this a right you WISH you had, or did I miss it in the constitution? Brought to you by Super Global Mega Corp .com