Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site sdcrdcf.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!allegra!oliveb!hplabs!sdcrdcf!barryg From: barryg@sdcrdcf.UUCP (Lee Gold) Newsgroups: net.nlang Subject: Re: Second person singular (long quote) Message-ID: <2337@sdcrdcf.UUCP> Date: Fri, 13-Sep-85 06:40:29 EDT Article-I.D.: sdcrdcf.2337 Posted: Fri Sep 13 06:40:29 1985 Date-Received: Wed, 18-Sep-85 02:43:53 EDT References: <2058@dutoit.UUCP> <3568@dartvax.UUCP> <1156@ihuxn.UUCP> <1116@sphinx.UChicago.UUCP> Reply-To: barryg@sdcrdcf.UUCP (Lee Gold) Organization: System Development Corp. R+D, Santa Monica Lines: 26 Summary: Here's what Baugh's HISTORY OF THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE has to say.... "The 16th century saw the establishment of the personal pronoun in the form which it has had ever since....Three changes were involved: the disuse of thou, thy, thee; the substitution of you for ye as a nominative case, and the introduction of its as the possessive of it. "In the earliest period of English the distinction between thou and ye was simply one of number; thou was the singular and ye the plural form for the second person pronoun. In time, however, a quite different distinction grew up. In the 13th century, the singular forms (thou, thy, thee) were used among familiars and in addressing children or persons of inferior rank, while the plural forms (ye, your, you) began to be used as a mark of respect in addressing a superior....The usage spread as a general concession to courtesy until ye, your and you became the usual pronoun of direct address irrespective of rank or intimacy. By the 16th century the singular forms had all but disappeared from polite speech and are in ordinary use today only among the Quakers. "Originally a clear distinction was made between the nominative ye and the objective you. But since both forms are so frequently unstressed, they were often pronounced alike....In the 14th century you began to be used as a nominative. By a similar substitution ye appears in the following century for the objective case, and from this time on the two forms seem to have been used pretty indiscriminately until ye finally disappeared." --Lee Gold Brought to you by Super Global Mega Corp .com