Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site decwrl.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!decvax!decwrl!mahoney@bach.DEC (Be verwy verwy quiet I am hunting wabbits) From: mahoney@bach.DEC (Be verwy verwy quiet I am hunting wabbits) Newsgroups: net.politics Subject: Don Black Message-ID: <538@decwrl.UUCP> Date: Mon, 23-Sep-85 11:43:35 EDT Article-I.D.: decwrl.538 Posted: Mon Sep 23 11:43:35 1985 Date-Received: Wed, 25-Sep-85 12:44:56 EDT Sender: daemon@decwrl.UUCP Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation Lines: 98 > A rather ironic thought came to me the other day. You know how Hitler >allegedly herded Jews into various concentration camps? This was supposed to >be the solution to the "Jewish Question." And the "Final Solution" was >allegedly the gas chamber. > "The Final Solution" was not the gas chamber it was the extermination of the Jews. The gas chamber was just a means to that end. The other thoughts were massive sterilization working them to death shooting buring and other gruesome tales. I am sorry if this is just a mistake in sematics. > After World War II, the camps were supposed to have closed, and the >Guests were supposed to be looking for a homeland. And supposedly that >was to be Old Palestine, from whence they would move no more. > > Now, who in their right mind would move into a territory that was >completely surrounded by enemy military forces? Irregardless of how >great the claim to the land, the fact is that the Israeli UN Protectorate >is surrounded by a half-billion or so p___ed-off Arabs, each of whom is >sworn to take out a dozen or so Israelis. Let's face another fact-- >without the financial support and military protection of the United >States, the Israeli UN Protectorate would last about as long as a >snowball in Hell. > I agree with you that the US gives a lot of financial help. I believe it is up to $4 billion a year now. Out of that is alot of Military assitance in weapontry. But the US has never sent troops in to fight for Isreali. Isreali also has won every war they have fought we the Arabs and they have done all the fighting themselves. As far as equipment goes now the Isreali's also are becoming one of the largest arms dealers in the world so if the US was out fighting a war the Isreali's now can in a pinch supply themselves. You say who in their right minds would move into territory surronded by enemy military forces. What do you call Europe throughout its history Europe has attaked the Jews left and right. There have been few notable exceptions of tolerance towards the Jews and that tolerance was usually motivated by economic reasons. Wherever the Jews have lived they have been attacked this is part of their history (the US for the most part has been an exception). So the Jews were already surronded by Enemy forces while they remained in Europe. Only three countries in all of Europe stood up to Hitler and refused to hand over their Jews. Most countries refused to even take the Jews though Hitler made it pretty clear what he would do. So what choices did the Jews really have one start their own country. So what if they were surronded by enemies that is nothing new to them anyway. As far as all the Arabs shall we say many and not all because Saudi Arabia as never given anything more than lip service to the attacks on Isreali. The same goes for Morroco Tunsia Kuwait Qatar and TUrkey has never even gone that far. The NAtions that have given Isreali the most trouble are Libya Syria and Iraq all have armies that are lucky they could fight there way out of a paper bag. Look at what Syria beats up on a nation much smaller an in the midst of a civil war (I know Isreali did also). > The Israelis have been lulled into a false sense of security--they >honestly believe that the US is going to be able to protect them militarily >for ever and a day. And at the same time, we're going to voluntarily >empty our wallets for them, because they so valiantly preserve the >"Holy Land" from the heathen hordes. What's going to happen when this is >no longer the case? > > I can see a scenario in which the US is tied up in a major war some- >where, and has neither the money, the resources, or the desire to minister >to the whims of the Israelis. > As stated above I believe the Isreali's will more than be able to take care of themselves. > What if the Jews in the Israeli UN Protectorate are being "set up?" >What if the Israeli UN Protectorate was established by the Shadow Government >not as a Jewish homeland, but rather as the World's Largest Concentration >Camp? What if this Shadow Government also knows that there will come a time >that the US will not protect the IUNP for whatever reason? Four or five >million in one swoop would be one helluva coup de grace. > I won't even dignafy this with a response. > If this doesn't sound likely, tell me, then, why do the majority of the >Jews who leave the Soviet Union come to the United States, rather than to >the Israeli UN Protectorate? Maybe they know something that they don't >want to pass on to their Middle East bretheren. Consider also that the UN >that allowed the Jews to take Palestine was formed by Communist sympathizers. >We know that Hitler and Stalin were blood-brothers (pardon the pun). Maybe >the worst of the Holocaust is yet to come. > > --Don Black Why do they came to the US psychologically that one I believe is easy. What two nations are seen as the two extremes. Both Nations daily attack each other propagandawise and so naturally if your leaving a country of oppresion you would go to the Nation that it attacks. The other reason (more probable) is that it is easier for Jews to emigrate to the US then to Isreali from the Soviet Union. This is part of the way the Soviet Union tries to get the Arabs on their side. That I believe is now under negotiation but I could be wrong . The Soviets want to try patching things up between the two nations so they can become a negotiator nation in the Mideast. Brian Mahoney "The East is East and West is West and I am some where in the Middle" Brought to you by Super Global Mega Corp .com