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From: rlr@pyuxd.UUCP (Rich Rosen)
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Subject: Re: Stick it in yer ear.
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Date: Wed, 25-Sep-85 01:17:24 EDT
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>>     Understand that there is no way that Judaism can tolerate Identity.  The
>>two cannot coexist, nor can Identity be allowed to exist at all.  Identity 
>>says that Christians are God's Chosen People of the Old Testament, the 
>>direct descendants of the Old Testament Israelites. [BLACK]

> Suppose someone converts to Christianity from some other religion.
> Then suddenly, that person becomes a "direct descendant" of the OT
> Israelites, but his parents are not?  [SAMUELSON]

Bravo, Gary!  (Never thought *I'd* be saying that, did you?)  If you think
about it, some ancestor of Don Black did just that, converted to Christianity,
and thus magically became a "true Israelite", according to his thinking (if
indeed that word can be used to describe what goes on in his head).

>>And they are just the 
>>beginning.  Most of us belong to mainstream denominations, such as Roman
>>Catholic, Baptist, Lutheran, etc.

> Numbers?

Unfortunately, Gary, quite a few.  It is for this reason that you see
people like me out to show people like Black for what he is.  You see,
he has has "scriptures" just like you, and he claims them to be holy,
pure, and correct, as you do yours.  Just because he says so (apparently
he really believes this, or else he is a lame New Hampshire joker), should
we include his tenets and those of his colleagues as legal moral code even
for non-believers?

>>The most obvious marks of the true Israelites is that they would be completely
>>blind as to who they were,

> Then you are obviously not one of the true Israelites, since you claim
> to know who you are.  (And is this supposedly a Biblical prophecy?)
> I, on the other hand, am likely to be a true Israelite, since I don't
> think I am descended from the OT Israelites.

The Lord works in mysterious ways...

>>that they would speak with stammering tongues
>>(the most difficult language on Earth is English),

> Says who?  For me, I think Chinese is more difficult -- I cannot
> tell the difference between words which differ only in pitch.  But
> in any case, how can you measure the difficulty of a language?

Using subjectivity, of course, you can claim anything, as Black has.

>>     So let Feingold and Rosen and Dimitrovsky and the rest call me all the 
>>names they want.  They have no other choice but to do so.  

> I agree that name-calling accomplishes little.  It never worked for
> me, :-) and I don't see it working for anyone else.  For example, you
> probably aren't going to win much support among Christians by calling them
> "Alka-Seltzer."  If, on the other hand, you would like to post the
> scriptures which you think support the concepts of "Identity," then
> I'm sure any number of people with a little knowledge of the Bible
> will be happy to refute you.

My hope, Gary, is that witnessing someone like Don Black, who (whether or not
he represents a real person who holds this nonsensical ideology) is typical
of many people who have come to hold this belief and have spread it around
like melted butter across a wide spectrum of susceptible people (they told
midwestern farmers that it was the Jews who own the banks (of course) who were
foreclosing on their mortgages, and they garnered significant support doing
so), ... my hope is that witnessing someone like him gives you some idea why
there is a need to fight autocratic religious impositional morality at all
cost.  If your beliefs can be deemed valid for a morality for my life, why
not Don's?  When it comes down to it, how do you prove YOURself (and your
particular religious beliefs) "righter" than his?
-- 
"to be nobody but yourself in a world which is doing its best night and day
 to make you like everybody else means to fight the hardest battle any human
 being can fight and never stop fighting."  - e. e. cummings
	Rich Rosen	ihnp4!pyuxd!rlr


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