Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site pyuxn.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!gamma!pyuxww!pyuxn!pez From: pez@pyuxn.UUCP (Paul Zimmerman) Newsgroups: net.religion,net.religion.christian Subject: Re: Beth Christy talks about the Damager-God Message-ID: <345@pyuxn.UUCP> Date: Tue, 17-Sep-85 08:41:22 EDT Article-I.D.: pyuxn.345 Posted: Tue Sep 17 08:41:22 1985 Date-Received: Wed, 18-Sep-85 04:20:59 EDT References: <316@pyuxn.UUCP> <1090@sphinx.UChicago.UUCP>, <322@pyuxn.UUCP> <1131@sphinx.UChicago.UUCP> Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Piscataway, N.J. Lines: 29 Xref: watmath net.religion:7677 net.religion.christian:1316 Beth, Apology accepted. I got a bit worried that this was turning into the same sort of argument you were having with Rich Rosen a while ago, hence my reservations about your abusiveness. You did engage in the same brand of condescending ``concern'' that many Christians expressed, feeling that because I had reached a different conclusion than they, that I must be ``disturbed,'' or ``sick.'' My own fear about you is that what you call your overzealousness to point out ``holes'' in my model stem from your own rationalizing about the nature of God and/or the possibility of the existence of an evil Damager-God. You misstate the premises of my model. In fact, the premises you state DON'T ``rest on no assumptions,'' as you say, but alas they are not mine. I never spoke of a special status for ``creative forces.'' I did speak about building as being special hard work done by man in accordance with physical law. (If it were not in accordance with physical law, it wouldn't ``remain standing.'') Yet quite often a damaging force (physicists call it entropy in certain circumstances) appears that destroys the work accomplished by man. At whim, as if that force had a will of its own, in direct defiance of the natural flow of things. Certainly none of these are assumptions at all. The observable deliberate nature of that damaging force is the evidence I cite as proof of the existence of the Damager-God. I hope this clarifies things. Be well, -- Paul Zimmerman - AT&T Bell Laboratories pyuxn!pez Brought to you by Super Global Mega Corp .com