Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site pyuxn.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!gamma!pyuxww!pyuxn!pez From: pez@pyuxn.UUCP (Paul Zimmerman) Newsgroups: net.religion,net.religion.christian Subject: Byron Howes discusses gnosticism in relation to the Damager-God Message-ID: <346@pyuxn.UUCP> Date: Tue, 17-Sep-85 08:43:03 EDT Article-I.D.: pyuxn.346 Posted: Tue Sep 17 08:43:03 1985 Date-Received: Wed, 18-Sep-85 04:21:14 EDT References: <8508172148.AA02946@sdcc6.ARPA> <308@pyuxn.UUCP> <2195@sdcc6.UUCP> <324@pyuxn.UUCP> <184@well.UUCP> <811@mcnc.mcnc.UUCP> Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Piscataway, N.J. Lines: 20 Xref: watmath net.religion:7678 net.religion.christian:1317 Jay Kinney and now Byron Howes have written about how maltheism is (at least in some ways) related to gnostic notions about the God we know being just an intermediary deity who may only think He is the ultimate God, dwarfed by a truly ultimate deity who is the ultimate benevolent power. The problem I see with this idea is that it falls prey to the same misconception as standard God whorship: that the ultimate power and force MUST be good because we want it to be. Unfortunately, the evidence contradicts that. Perhaps, as Byron says, there is an ultimate God who is very different from the heinous evil Damager-God who wreaks havoc in all our lives. But, sadly, it is that Damager-God we must face every day. As Byron says, we would have no direct contact with the ultimate deity he describes. Anyway, if He was truly good, wouldn't He take steps to eradicate the pig monster God who maltreats this planet and its people? Be well, -- Paul Zimmerman - AT&T Bell Laboratories pyuxn!pez Brought to you by Super Global Mega Corp .com